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Hot off the back of its recent leadership rejig, Mozilla has announced users of Firefox will soon be subject to a ‘Terms of Use’ policy — a first for the iconic open source web browser.

This official Terms of Use will, Mozilla argues, offer users ‘more transparency’ over their ‘rights and permissions’ as they use Firefox to browse the information superhighway — as well well as Mozilla’s “rights” to help them do it, as this excerpt makes clear:

You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet.

When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

Also about to go into effect is an updated privacy notice (aka privacy policy). This adds a crop of cushy caveats to cover the company’s planned AI chatbot integrations, cloud-based service features, and more ads and sponsored content on Firefox New Tab page.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

The great part of open source is forking.

And forking it will, Firefox will be forked with a version of a different name that doesn't have this shit, and then the name Firefox will fade into history as a once great product that formed the basis of a different grey product.

Fork you, Mozilla

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Get ready for ads as well

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e#commitcomment-153095625

They removed this:


            {

                "@type": "Question",

                "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?",

                "acceptedAnswer": {

                    "@type": "Answer",

                    "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "

                }

            },

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Turns out when you gotta choose between going defunct and selling ad space, selling ad space wins.

Also turns out that drying up donations for privacy protecting browsers means there is less demand for it, and less money to fund it.

The majority cost of Firefox is engineering salaries.

Eventually something has to give, and this is it.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

Also turns out that drying up donations for privacy protecting browsers means there is less demand for it

Or, hear me out, that former donors don't trust them anymore!

But also that a lot of people don't want to donate, basically when they could only donate an immeasurably small amount, to a company whose CEO gets an unimaginably huge pay, that could be used for significantly boosting development.
Personally that's a big reason I rather want to support smaller projects, or even that of size like Bitwarden.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago

Yeah but the line between them and google is not there anymore in that case

[–] vane@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Cough cough, that's true the biggest cost is salary 17,097,933. But 10 millions are paid to C-Suite and 4mil to contractors who do the job. https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2024/b200-mozilla-foundation-form-990-public-disclosure-ty23.pdf Just look into the books.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

Damn we really can't have anything nice.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Guys Mullvad browser and Librewolf exist.

[–] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

Zen Browser too

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 days ago

they're firefox forks and ubo comes automatically installed with them.

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[–] msgraves@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

ladybird can't come fast enough

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Ladybird has a platinum sponsorship on their homepage from Shopify so not a good look already.

[–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Building a browser from scratch is going to cost well over a million dollars in development costs. I don't think they'd be able to achieve it without sponsors.

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

I'm not saying they shouldn't seek funding, but maybe not from companies that hosted and sold literally Nazi tshirts.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I feel like everything is getting corroded, the capitalists are wearing down everything

[–] yourFanatic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is Waterfox a good alternative?

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago (10 children)

can a chromium fork reasonably be maintained with adblock support?

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This new policy doesn't apply to Firefox forks so you're better off with one of those

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

so in a similar vein: can the community reasonably maintain an up-to-date and secure gecko-based browser we can universally move to instead of firefox? can we make google back the fuck off while we do so? because thats what seems to be the way, with how things are going down.

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[–] TK420@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That would be getting right back in bed with Google, gross.

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[–] Reptorian@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

I moved on to Waterfox, is this a good move?

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