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I am a Linux beginner/amateur and I have sort of had enough of copy and pasting commands I find on the internet without having a good understanding of how they actually work.

I guess my end goal is to be able to comfortably install and use arch Linux with my own customization's and be able to fix it when things go wrong.

What tips/ideas do you have for getting better at navigating the terminal, and getting a better understanding of how the os works. What is a good roadmap to follow? And how did you, advanced Linux user, get to the stage your at now?

Edit: my current distro is bazzite just in case you were interested and thanks for all the replies you are all really helpful.

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[–] nous@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

And how did you, advanced Linux user, get to the stage your at now?

Incrementally over time by reading the documentation and/or manuals of the commands I need to run and looking up how others solve the problems that I need to get other ideas about things (even, periodically, for things that I already know how to do to see if anyone has found a better way to do it or if a new tool has come out that helps). And trying things out/experimenting with different ways of doing things to find out what works well or not.

With arch, I'd recommend just jumping in the deep and and installing it, looking things up on the wiki when something goes wrong. Just do it in a virtual machine or on an old laptop or something to start with. I broke my previous distro (mint) by doing some really stupid stuff, and I decided to just go fuck it and install arch. I don't think I've ever learned as much about linux as that weekend.

I suppose that I was already pretty comfortable with the terminal since I was studying computer science at the time so I had a lot of reason to use it. I think the best way to use the terminal is to force yourself to use it, programming is great for this but you can try e.g. sorting your photos or mp3 files or something as practice too.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Switch to rolling distro, it will break so many things with each update you'll learn stuff by fixing it. Also you can check https://overthewire.org/wargames/bandit/

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought rolling releases were still pretty stable to things really break that often?

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
  1. Learn FreeBSD.

  2. Learn Linux.

/s

[–] berryjam@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
[–] electricyarn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

When you are doing stuff in the terminal write it down somewhere else also, on a piece of real life paper or in a simple text document or whatever works for you.

In general I found taking notes while trying to do things in the terminal helped me learn.

I have sort of had enough of copy and pasting commands I find on the internet without having a good understanding of how they actually work.

One thing you could do is start trying to understand those commands.

Read the man pages or the documentation to figure out what the commands are actually doing. Once you have the "what" , you can dig deeper to get to the "why" if it isn't obvious by that point.

After enough of that, you'll go to copy/paste and already understand what it's doing without needing to look it up again.

Then from there, it's a matter of building the instinct to be able to say "I need to do X, so I'll use commands Y and Z."

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess my end goal is to be able to comfortably install and use arch Linux with my own customization’s and be able to fix it when things go wrong.

Why? I have been using Linux for nearly two decades and I am perfectly content with a low-config distro and desktop environment. You don’t have to use Arch but if you insist get a Steam Deck.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just want to get a better understanding on linux and I think arch is the way to do it. I love computers and I want to know them well.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Do you want to know how it works internally or how you can administer it more effectively? The two are very different. I was always more interested in the former than the latter and at one point read through Linux kernel 0.1 source code. I want to know how a kernel and a file system works but I can’t be bothered with configurations and shell scripts. The good thing about Linux whatever you want, the resources and the source are available.

Good luck.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Attempt an Arch install entirely from memory. You might want to try this in a VM, in case something goes wrong, but just do it. If you can't quite remember what to do, man and ls /bin are your friends.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sorry man I said I was a beginner I have never installed arch before that was more like an end goal I am not there yet I should have said i'm just running bazzite atm.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

Sure, maybe I was a little ambitious. But my point is mistakes can bring learning, so it might be worth it to try something "hard". Trying things in a virtual machine is also often a good idea.

[–] Sunny@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

If you're in the position to take certificates then that's a another way of learning a lot. At least it has worked for me. I've over the last half year taken RHCSA and RHCE from RedHat - though paid by work. Theses in specific are expensive, but I'm sure there are other ones that are cheaper. This would also allow you to 'show off' your skills in an official way should you need to, for applying for certain jobs etc..

I at least find this way to be helpful as you have to motivate yourself to learn and pass an exam to get the certificate. It might not be for everyone though.

My advice would be look up The Missing Semester it’s a free online MIT course on how to use the terminal and it will govern you a better understanding of how to use it and Linux more generally. Really helpful to find your way around and give you an intuitive sense of what you’re trying to achieve.

Then beyond that installing arch is easy with archinstall but it’s probably more helpful to learn about the components of desktop Linux and what they do so that you actually know what you’re doing.

[–] bishoponarope@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
[–] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Using tldr to learn commands. It gives you the information you are probably looking for in the man page but it's not buried among lines and lines and lines of arcane stuff and it's formatted in a readable way with helpful examples. Saved my sanity more than once.

I'm not saying "don't read the man pages", they are great way to get a deeper understanding of commands. But when you are just wondering what a command does and how it's commonly used, then a two lines summary + example is much more helpful than an essay going in minute details over everything.

Since it takes a lot less time than hunting the same info in the man page, you can run it before every command you are not familiar with, without too much hassle. Then if you want more info you can check the man page.

[–] Spyder@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago
[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

"I take full responsibility for my Arch system."

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

This course by the Linux Foundation goes over the basics and I thought it was pretty good. I was a long time user of Linux when I came across this and wanted to see how much I really knew. It's very easy to follow and well structured

https://training.linuxfoundation.org/training/introduction-to-linux/

[–] unrealapex@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I'd recommend reading man pages. They're a great way to understand the programs that are on your system. The Arch Wiki and the Gentoo Wiki both provide additional information that may be of use to you.

[–] underisk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For getting better at terminal I would suggest looking into alternative shells. Bash is fine, but it’s not exactly user friendly by default. Something with more robust auto completion like zsh or saner defaults like fish could make the learning experience easier. You can always come back to bash later.

For understanding how the OS works I would start by reading about the file system layout, then look into the init process.

I got to the point I am at through a series of projects of increasing complexity. First I ran a web server on my machine to copy files over the network. Then I used a spare PC to make a simple SMB server. Later I made it into a HTPC pirate box, for streaming stuff downloaded off Usenet to my Xbox. At some point I ran a minecraft server (before docker came along and trivialized this), and got into a bunch of sysadmin and programming stuff and that’s pretty much it.

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just out of curiosity, do bash script work in zsh? Or are they totally different things and are not cross compatible?

[–] underisk@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Depends on what it is. If it’s meant to be mainly used in the shell I will usually use whatever language the shell uses. Anything that’s run automatically usually gets done in bash for compatibility, and stuff more complicated than a few loops and some piping gets done in something easier to work with like python.

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