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No One Is Buying AMD Zen 5 CPUs, So What's Going On? (www.techspot.com)

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[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Price is probably #1.

Bit of speculation here with no real sources ; There was a boom in late 2022 through 2023 when people could finally reliably get parts again. I'm guessing many who wanted to upgrade already did in the past 2 years. Anyone who got a new computer in 2020 onward should be fine for at least a few more years. I think the average is around 7 years.

The market will probably see a surge between 2027-2030 as people begin replacing their "covid era" computers.The market right now is mainly seeing anyone with a pre-covid computer who bought a nice top of line machine for about 1k. They're looking at current pricing and choosing to go with today's mid-low teir, which will outclass their old 201x top of the line computer.

Another factor could be AAA gaming hasn't exactly been pumping out hit new tiles the last 5 years. People who wanted to play cyberpunk or Eldon ring already upgraded by the time Wukon came out.

With less new games requirng the latest and greatest means the need to upgrade is going drop too.

Again all speculation....

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm considering it, but only just, my 5800x is good enough for most gaming, which is GPU bound anyway, and I run a dual xeon rig for my workstation.

zen 2-4 took care of a lot of the demand, we all have 8-16 cores now, what else could they give us?

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

what else could they give us?

AI!!!!!!!!

^^/s

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They do still seem to be making advances in single-core performance, but whether it matters to most people is a different question. Most people aren't using software that would benefit that much from these generation-to-generation performance improvements. It's not going to be anywhere near as noticeable as when we went from 2 or 4 cores to 8, 16, 24, etc.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Single-thread is really hard, we've basically saturated our l1 working set size, adding more doesn't help much. Trying to extend the vector length just makes physical design harder and that reduces clock speed. The predictors are pretty good, and Apple finally kicked everyone up the ass to increase OOO like they should have.

Also, software still kind of sucks. It's better than it was, but we need to improve it, the bloat is just barely being handled by silicon gains.

Flash was the epochal change, maybe we have some new form of hybrid storage but that doesn't seem likely right now, Apple might do it to cut costs while preserving performance, actually yeah I see them trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Otherwise I don't know, we need a better way to deal with GPUs, there's nothing else that can move the needle, except true heterogenous core clusters, but I haven't been able to sell that to anyone so far, they all think it's a great idea, that someone else should do.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Also, software still kind of sucks. It’s better than it was, but we need to improve it, the bloat is just barely being handled by silicon gains.

The incentives are all wrong for this, except in FOSS. It's never going to be a priority for Microsoft because everyone is used to the (lack of) speed of Windows, and "now a bit faster!" isn't a great marketing line. And it's not in the interests of hardware companies that need to keep shifting new boxes if the software doesn't keep bogging each generation down eventually. So we end up stuck with proprietary bloatware everywhere.

[–] naturlychee@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"what intel gives, microsoft takes away"

dates from the mid 90s, still relevant.

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[–] twoface@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have a 5900x and honestly don't see any need for an upgrade anytime soon.

A new CPU would maybe give me like 10 fps more in games, but a new GPU would do more. And I don't think the CPU will be a bottle neck in the next few years

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even beyond that, short of something like blender, Windows just can't handle that kind of horsepower, it's not designed for it and the UI bogs down fairly fast.

Linux, otoh, I find can eat as much CPU as you throw at it, but often many graphics applications start bogging down the X server for me.

So I have a windows machine with the best GPU but passable cpu and a decent workstation gpu with insane cpu power on linux.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What is your problem with Windows, though?

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Meh, not nearly as configurable as linux, some things you can't change.

NFS beats SMB into a cocked hat.

You start spending more time in a terminal on linux, because you're not dealing with your machine, you're always connecting to other machines with their resources to do things. Yeah a terminal on windows makes a difference, and I ran cygwin for a while, it's still not clean.

Installing software sucks, either having to download or the few stuff that goes through a store. Not that building from source is much better, but most stuff comes from distro repos now.

Once I got lxc containers though, actually once I tried freebsd I lost my windows tolerance. Being able to construct a new effective "OS" with a few keystrokes is incredible, install progarms there, even graphical ones, no trace on your main system. There's just no answer.

Also plasma is an awesome DE.

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[–] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My gaming desktop has a 5950x, I can run virtual machines and all games just fine. No reason to upgrade.

My Plex server runs an Intel 10400, handles everything I throw at it just fine. No reason to upgrade.

My home theater PC runs a Ryzen 1700 and again, runs just fine. No reason to upgrade.

I think the newest CPU in my house is either my Steam Deck's APU or the one in my PS5.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Both the PS5 and Steam deck's CPU architecture are Zen2. So the 5950X is the most modern (Zen3)

[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I'm waiting on the new X870 chipset boards to come out. Why buy an old board with a new processor?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago

Would have to buy new board and RAM, not really worth it performance-wise, at least not for me. Some day, yes, but that day hasn't come and will definitely be after a GPU upgrade.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

I just built a computer, and honestly I didn't need much more CPU than the Ryzen 3600 from my old one. CPUs don't go obsolete the way they used to.

I went with a 7000 series pretty much entirely because my new motherboard said "Compatible with 7000 series. Compatible with 9000 series with a BIOS update." And I didn't want to bother with having to get a loaner 7000 series to do a BIOS update, then swap CPUs.

[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago

Price drop put the 7900x at bargain bin prices and I bought that instead.

[–] 2001zhaozhao@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

Why would I downgrade from my 7000x3d chip

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I thought about an upgrade for a minute from my 3700X, but I realized none of the games I play or programs I use are demanding on CPU enough that it would make any real difference in my experience.

Games have kind of stalled out for me too, I haven't played a AAA game in years it feels like, and the other games I do play are not that demanding on modern hardware.

I would also need to upgrade to DDR5 RAM which is just more cost for a marginal upgrade.

[–] Brocon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Same here. I have a 3600X with 32GB RAM and a 3070ti. I see no sense in upgrading for a performance boost that I have no need for. I mostly play indie games and AA Titles. And even graphically heavier hitters like Space Marine 2, Wukong and The First Descendant run fine on 3440x1440.

Before Playstation 6 and Xbox Series X MK. 2 Y Type Z (or whatever MS will name that) i don't think there will be a significant need to upgrade.

Most of the flag ship titles of this generation run perfectly playable on most mid tier gaming PCs and laptops. And the PC handheld market is also cutting into the traditional PC gamer market as well. Things like the steam deck, legion go or ally x all have taken away a share of people that would have usually bought an upgrade by now.

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[–] Concave1142@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I think I am going to be one of the people buying into Zen 5 but mainly for the longevity of the platform aspect. I'm in the preplanning stage of my next ProxMox server that will be my NAS (unRAID VM), local infrastructure (Samba AD, Adguard, etc.) & Gaming PC via Parsec/Moonlight or plugged directly into the PC with GPU/NVME passthrough to a VM for gaming.

Firewall is on a separate ProxMox host so if the ProxMox host needs a reboot internet will be fine.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

$$$$

[–] db2@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say nobody, but most people with a working Zen 4 don't see the need.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And they're the only people who can easily do it.

Anybody else needs a new motherboard and RAM. And for those people, they're like "hmmm I can spend $700+ upgrading to Zen5, or I could spend $180 on a 5700X3D, not have to pull my entire PC apart, and get about the same real-world performance because I'll be GPU bottlenecked anyway."

[–] ghashul@feddit.dk 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I bought a 7800x3d, so I'm not in the market for a new CPU for years to come. If I hadn't already bought it, I'd buy it now.

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[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm currently in the market for a new CPU for my PC, so I did my research and I'm not going to buy a Zen 5 CPU either. The reason is simple: The Zen 4 X3D CPUs are faster. Because of that, everyone who wants a new CPU now is getting the Zen 4 X3Ds and everyone who can wait, is waiting for the Zen 5 X3Ds. There's no point in getting the Zen 5 CPUs that are currently out.

Edit: Actually, after reading the top reply, I'm not sure anymore if the Zen 5s aren't the better choice after all

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I'm still using a i7-3630QM and a R5-1600.

They are both enough for what I do with them. Why would I upgrade?

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