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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You'll find a lot of arguments for believing such things if you look for them. Some of these arguments are simply angry rants (and they appeal to angry people who aren't inclined to think analytically) but others are quite sophisticated. Have I refuted all the sophisticated ones I've come across? No, that would take a lot of effort, and maybe some of them are even technically true. I'm not convinced by them primarily because I have certain assumptions about the world: conspiracy theories are generally not true, most people just want to live a good life, kindness is usually reciprocated, and so forth. Someone who holds the opposite set of assumptions (every organization is corrupt, many people are inherently evil, kindness leads to being exploited, etc.) won't be convinced by your "knowledge against it" without even hearing you out in the same way that I'm not convinced by the arguments for it.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

Incels at least is a natural consequence of the difference between society's expectations, the needs of an individual, and generally the lack of support and or direct toxicity towards men who need help and emotional support men require as humans.

That one is a societal problem around isolating people away from affection.

The rest I have no freaking clue how one becomes a Nazi in 2024.

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Some people have problems in their life and it is convenient to believe they are do to an outgroup. You mention knowledge against it but these people live their lives and insert their instilled prejudices to explain the flaws, making them have (fake) first hand proof of their beliefs.

[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ok while I may agree. But my father taught me when I was younger that a black woman has no place in this world so you will have to work extra harder to overcome hate and other things....my question is was he right? I say this as a now 41 year old.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

a black woman has no place in this world...

Wrong on this half, in that the factors of your birth & immutable traits or public opinion of those can't prevent you from have a place here regardless of any opinions.

...you will have to work extra harder to overcome hate and other things...

You would know the answer from you past 41 yrs better than I would.

[–] aredditimmigrant@feddit.nl 3 points 4 months ago

It's the same as it's always been. We gravitate towards what we feel.

The internet has just allowed certain groups who wmight be ashamed to announce their true feelings to say the quiet part out loud anonymously. This gets the next generation to not see a problem with it and go from there.

As an example. Take an impressionable young boy (14-18), he has trouble getting dates, doesn't have a great home life. Little bit of a loner. Before the internet, hed have to figure out a purpose. Maybe he'd start going to a gym or hitting the books harder to be smarter or something.... With the Internet he's able to find "friends", he finds a community, that community may lead him down dark paths.... Where some in better living situations may say "this is too much" and walk away, he doesn't have anything to walk to... So he gets more and more indoctrinated into the cause.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

People just want an easy scapegoat, and there are many parties willing to sell them one.

Knowledge against racism has existed for millennia. Time is a flat circle.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Humanity has this default setting where tribalism = TRUE, and social media gives you a place where you can form new tribes around anything and everything all of the time. As a matter of fact, it tends to encourage modern day tribalism. Why do you think antivaxxers and flat earth are a thing. In ancient times that sort of behavior was confined to the house of the local village idiot.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

A lot of it comes from experiences they've had.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

For incels there really is no other community for them. Hell, even if you are liberal there are not many mens spaces for you.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Bigotry has never been about ignorance. It has always been about manufacturing social division through propaganda.

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