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Despite being a heavy cell phone user for more than 25 years, it only recently occurred to me that vertical navigation on most phones is inverted when compared to traditional computers. You swipe down to navigate upward, and up to navigate downward. I recently spent time using a MacBook, which apparently defaults to this "natural" scrolling (mobile-style), and I was completely thrown off by it.

I've been using natural scrolling on a couple of my own desktops ever since, mostly as a mental exercise, and I wondered...how many of you folks prefer this method?

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[–] jsdz@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a good thing Apple doesn't make cars. They'd put the gas pedal on the left just to be different, and claim it's more "natural" that way.

[–] helixdaunting@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't give Tesla any ideas.

[–] Cpo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they would probably let you pay a small fee per month for this feature.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[–] towerful@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Trackpads and touchscreens get the phone way of scrolling.
These feel like you are interacting with a piece of paper, so you move the paper around.

Mousewheels get the traditional way of scrolling.
Mice are more like controlling something.
It just is. Like F1-F12 keys are always F1-F12 keys, not the alt-function (like media/brightness etc).

I hate that Apple has called it "natural" Vs "reverse" in some psychological reconfiguring that you are going against the grain if you don't agree with them (as opposed to them changing the established standard).

[–] syklone@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There is nothing natural about "natural scrolling".

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

It feels like gaslighting.

[–] aksdb@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

I guess it depends on what the base line is. When reading a large news paper for example, I presume most people hold it steady in their hand and move their head to progress. Which would be the "traditional scrolling". If you assume a large scroll of paper (ancient egyptian style) I guess moving the scroll and keeping the head (mostly) steady works fine or even better. That would be the "natural scrolling".

But yes, in modern times I can't think of an equivalent of the scrolls to explain why we would consider that "natural", if we don't do it outside of the computer.

[–] bceuhwps@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Natural is totally unnatural.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Traditional for mouse, natural for touchpads.

[–] rotopenguin@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Real gangstas also switch their PGUP and PGDN keys to natural scrolling.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Traditional for both scroll wheels and trackpads (trackpads are emulating a mouse, you heathers!) And inverted Y for gaming.

[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The thing you're apparently calling "traditional" seems natural to me.

I've never really stopped and thought about it before, but as far as I can figure, my brain expects the part of the system that does or would actually touch the surface to drag the screen in a particular direction through the simple workings of physics.

On a touchscreen, it's simple - it's my finger actually touching the screen and it drags the screen around exactly as I'd expect.

With a mouse, my finger isn't the important part because it's not touching the surface (or more precisely, the mousepad that substitutes for the surface). Rather, my finger is contolling the mouse, and the underside of the mouse is touching the surface. And as far as that goes, the "traditional" way it works is correct - when I move my finger downward on the mouse wheel, the bottom side of the wheel - the part that would actually be touching the surface if it was a purely mechanical system - is moving upward, so would drag the screen upward.

So to me, that's what's natural.

[–] Snowplow8861@lemmus.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Start realising that the way you're used to scrolling with your mouse wheel, is a cog between you and the service it's moving. Actually you were using natural all along. It was the early touch pads that were wrong and nonsense.

[–] gravitasium@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

This! I use traditional with wheels and natural with touchpads

[–] pascal@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like traditional scrolling, that's how I learnt and how I like it on all my computers.

Unfortunately, I also have a MacBook, which I love! The touchpad scrolls the "Natural" way, like on any modern phone, but if you plug in a mouse, it scrolls the "Natural" way, too. Which I hate! You can change the scrolling direction in the settings, but that will change the scrolling direction for the touchpad as well, so I'm stuck.

It's so frustrating that I gave up using a mouse on the MacBook.

[–] settinmoon@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use a roll reverser app on my macbook to get around this problem. You can configure touchpad to be natural and mouse to be traditional

[–] SGHFan@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Natural on mice, traditional on trackpads.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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