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California cannot ban gun owners from having detachable magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, a federal judge ruled Friday.

The decision from U.S. District Judge Roger Benitez won’t take effect immediately. California Attorney General Rob Bonta, a Democrat, has already filed a notice to appeal the ruling. The ban is likely to remain in effect while the case is still pending.

This is the second time Benitez has struck down California’s law banning certain types of magazines. The first time he struck it down — way back in 2017 — an appeals court ended up reversing his decision.

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[–] Poob@lemmy.ca 128 points 1 year ago (40 children)

Magazine size laws aren't really effective at doing anything. Up in Canada you can't have a rifle magazine with more than 5 rounds. However, almost all of the magazines are full size magazines that have been modified to hold fewer rounds. All of the responsible owners leave them at 5, but with a minute or two of work you could turn most of them into full size again. We don't have mass shootings every day.

Gun violence in America is a culture issue. You're broken.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A magazine is literally just a box of certain geometry with a spring inside it. They can be 3D printed or made by hand. No government anywhere can stop the signal. Instead we need to focus on the cultural rot that made narcissists decide it was OK to assault random strangers.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

narcissists

thank you!! this country has a narcissism problem. the hyper-focus on individuality and celebrities not only encourages it, but celebrates it. lots of people look up to narcissistic psychopaths as if being a ruthless egotistical asshole is something to strive for.

i knew a guy that had one poster up, and it was of Tony Montana from Scarface. he would show it off to people as if he were unaware he was indirectly telling everyone that he was an asshole. the guy i knew looked up to a machiavellian drug dealer that easily murdered anyone that got in his way of wealth and power, despite that Tony had a horrible relationship with his wife, was paranoid, and ended up dying from his own shit behaviors.

i knew a girl with a social circle that was all about social media likes. her and her best friend went to Hawaii to take pictures to post on instagram and facebook. i mean, they spent thousands of dollars and planned their days out in Hawaii around going to scenic places so they could waste hours taking and retaking 100s of pictures to post a few of the best ones. these girls had terrible relationships characterized by antagonism and competition. they would hit on each other's boyfriends and cheat on their own, then get surprisingly upset if anyone else did a 1/10 of what they did to their so-called friends and boyfriends. it was disgusting how they treated each other. even their own individual mentality was marred by these delusions of grandiosity and entitlement that weren't rooted in rationality or care for others.

whenever i visit other countries, i'm refreshed by the humanity of people there. i think it's one of the reasons i like traveling so much. i just cannot deal with the narcissism here. it's exhausting and alienating. anyone have any tips on how to remedy these feelings i get?

[–] librechad@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One of the hillbillies I know have a fully automatic M14 with a 20 round magazine from the Korean War. It was a pleasure to fire that thing.

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[–] Staple_Diet@aussie.zone 104 points 1 year ago (39 children)

Yeah, how are Americans meant to shoot and kill the 11 intruders that come into their bedroom at night as they sleep if their AR-15 mag is limited to 10 rounds.

Good to see common sense prevail. Now to lift the ban on belt fed firearms so Americans can really live free (or at least those who aren't brown, black, female, queer, progressive, poor or school children).

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah, how are Americans meant to shoot and kill the 11 intruders that come into their bedroom at night as they sleep if their AR-15 mag is limited to 10 rounds.

Skill issue. Line them up so you kill multiple targets with 1 round, and learn how to reload faster.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

my man doesn't affix a bayonet and it shows

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Killing them is not the problem, dropping them before they and their pack successfully charge you is the bigger problem

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Gun rights are also trans rights. And gay rights. It's also veeeeeeeeeery interesting how interested the state is in making sure that certain groups of people aren't armed, e.g., black and brown people.

I'm guessing that you haven't heard of The Pink Pistols or Operation Blazing Sword, or heard the saying, "armed queers bash back". You might be vaguely aware that MLK Jr. was denied the right to a pistol permit (back when many states in the south had 'may issue' laws, rather than 'shall issue'), and as a result was usually surrounded by people that were armed, because this non-violent stuff'll get you killed.

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[–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually a popular use for those guns is hog hunting, and you definitely want as many bullets as humanly possible when hunting hogs since they travel in packs.

My step dad shot one point blank in the face with a 9mm pistol and all it did was stun it long enough to grab a rifle.

[–] yemmly@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What happened after the hog grabbed the rifle?

[–] UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The police obviously arrested it for having a 30 round magazine.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Not arrested, just a warning when they realized it was one of them.

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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

It was like the OK Corral, but with way more squealing.

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[–] ScornForSega@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (82 children)

States rights!

Wait, no not like that.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well yes, the state has no right to infringe upon your rights, like say slavery.* Fought a whole war about that actually.

*Unless of course you wind up in the prison system, then they can infringe upon your rights, but that is also a problem.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Lots of great comments and debate here. Love it. But let me address mag bans specifically. They're a silly feel-good measure, at best.

If you tell me a capacity ban will save lives, I have to ask, have you ever swapped a magazine, of any sort? Hell, I'm actually more on target with my 10-round AR mags. Give's me 4 seconds to breathe, reset myself. The standard 30-round mag is physically and mentally wearing.

If for no other reason, the idea is childish thinking. Who believes the bad guys, the people they wish to restrict, will just shrug their shoulders and say, "OK."?

Besides, many LEOs, even sheriffs, have said they won't enforce such a ban. Well... probably not on white people. (Oh look, another racist gun law. Who knew?)

And even if one still thinks they're a great idea, how will you stop me from getting one from another state? It's a box with a spring in it, they're stupid cheap and plentiful. LOL, in the runup to the Oregan ban there were 100 people posting pics of their full crates in my liberal gun owners' group.

And perhaps worst of all, this annoys single-issue voters that would otherwise vote Democrat and gives ammo (heh) to conservatives. "SEE! They coming for your guns!" This hill worth dying on to lose elections to the GOP?

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[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (35 children)

Law should be struck down.

  • magazines are easy to return to 30/30 from a 10/30
  • only affects law abiding citizens while criminals ignore the law
  • background checks and waiting period should be automatic in the US to purchase. Period.
  • Guns should be registered.

As a gun owner I in my opinion think that we should have sensible laws for firearms. Do we need fully auto firearms? No not really. Are semi auto rifles a great tool for people in the country side? Sure I understand they have different dangers compare to city folks. For people that saw they should charge high taxes to own guns. Look at Mexico it ain't helping no one and makes it that the wealthy folks can afford firearms.

Oh and if we do register firearms and your gun is found in the black market without you notifying that your firearm was stolen that should be a red flag. It's an easy market to sell firearms when you buy from lax law states and they end up in Mexico.

Lastly I know this is a stretch, but the US should be checking vehicles going to Mexico. Interesting that we only check coming back but not going. Firearms trafficking would be significantly reduced if we started checking.

Last last thing, if you have kids and own a firearm and don't secure it, a big fuck you. Putting kids in danger, you fuckin cucks.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Well I think the best legislation is just heavy background checks and checkups on gun owners. Yes, you could introduce laws like this where people can just get around it or actually go deep down the the fundamental issue, which is why these mass shooters are mass shooters. Background checks and psychiatric tests are the way to go. Guns shouldn't and can't be illegal, make sure gun owning individuals are sound of mind enough to own them.

[–] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago (8 children)

We've already done the research on mass shooters and understand how to address the problem - it's a multi-faceted, systemic approach.

So, naturally, neither party is willing to make any progress on it.

[–] roze_sha@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

Summarised by Chat GPT:

The article is an interview with two professors, Jillian Peterson and James Densley, who have conducted a comprehensive study on mass shooters in the US. They have created a database of every mass shooter since 1966 and interviewed some of them, as well as their families and friends. They have also talked to people who planned a mass shooting but changed their mind.

The main findings of their research are:

  • Mass shooters share four common traits: childhood trauma, social isolation, suicidal thoughts and access to firearms.
  • Mass shooters often have a crisis point that triggers their violent behavior, such as a breakup, a job loss or a humiliation.
  • Mass shooters are not born evil or mentally ill, but rather they are shaped by their life experiences and circumstances.
  • Mass shooters can be prevented if they are identified and treated early, before they reach the point of no return.

The article also discusses the challenges and implications of their research, such as:

  • The need for more funding and political will to address the root causes of mass shootings, such as mental health, social support and gun control.
  • The importance of changing the narrative and language around mass shooters, such as avoiding terms like "monster" or "lone wolf" that dehumanize them and obscure their motives.
  • The role of the media and the public in reducing the glorification and copycat effect of mass shootings, such as not naming the shooter or showing their manifesto.
  • The potential for using their database and methodology to study other forms of violence, such as domestic terrorism or hate crimes.
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[–] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Shocking! Another dumb ineffective gun law that was clearly never going to stand is shot down.

Really good use of political capital and money.

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[–] lunaticneko@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Touchy issue.

I come from a country with no gun rights, at least not for civilians.

A spare magazine is not a restricted article. Anyone can buy or make. If the matter is 10 rounds, well, you can have as many mags as you want.

Or, have a big mag with fillers in it for inspection. When you step outside the police or whatever office, you just take those fillers out.

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