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the post is highlighting the hypocrisy in refrigerating milk while also being against milk pasteurization, since both of those practices have been done for around a hundred years and serve to make milk last longer and be safer to drink.
Just about every dairy product (butter, cheese, whey, buttermilk) was made as a way to keep milk safe for consumption. Rejecting pasteurization, which is just slightly warming up milk is incredibly obtuse and reeks of deliberate ignorance
maybe RFK(wasnt he behind all this nonsense?) is a secret militant vegan who wants to discourage people from drinking animal milk by making it harmful to humans(/s just in case)
This feels like a straw man. I don't remember them making any arguments against using a refrigerator.
I mean fuck them, but fuck them on topic otherwise we are just huffing out own smug cloud and that doesn't convince anyone.
They don't make those arguments because they're stupid and don't understand what they're talking about, but if they really had the problem with pasterisation, they would necessarily have to have problems with other methods of preventing bacteria growth, like refrigeration for example. The fact that they don't is the signifyer on itself.
Ok, so there are two kinds of idiots.
There are only a few 2s, most are 1s. Like 1 "2" for every 100000 "1".
2s, as you have stated, don't care. They know. They know their arguments are dumb and a misdirection. They will not engage with this meme, because they know what they are doing and they know it is wrong and they know that engaging with this will just out them and expose their bad takes.
Even if you get rid of all the 2s, 1s will self perpetuate. So you really should target the 1s.
The 1s are not aware of all of this 6d chess going on. So if you show them this meme, they are going to be confused because they have no problem with refrigeration and they are going to be mad because you are implying that they are dumb and you are not addressing their concerns. So they ignore us and don't learn anything and we look like idiots. This is what the 2s want.
The thing is, pasteurization is an easy win for us. No need to overcomplicate it. Just tell the 1s and 2s the truth. Otherwise we end up looking like we don't have an argument by making up positions they don't have. If the 2s pipe up, we have the data and "It's your life, if you want to risk getting deadly diseases tuberculosis, brucellosis, and E. coli, that is your choice". If they go farther you can just say they are in a death cult, it's easily winnable even if you are an ok debater.
Honestly the 1s are looking at this meme and must think it is some other group that is being targeted because they have no problems with refrigeration so this post is like 99% of people who agree with each other patting each other on the back. Fun, but not productive.
[citation needed], But that doesn't even matter.
The meme would be confused to the "1" idiots, yes. And that's a good thing. Confusion is a brain activity, it's an uncomfortable state of mind, and it demands answers. It might provoke some thoughts or urge to research something to resolve. It might not. In which case it's a meme on the internet with the power and purpose of every other meme on the internet.
And if the person is too stupid to have the productive confusion, well, maybe not everything on the internet should be targeted exclusively to the lowest information bacteria.
Are you trolling me? Do you really believe what you just posted?
Why not just meme all republicans like to eat babies? I am sure that will confuse a lot of them and that confusion will uhh, be really funny I guess, and that funny will uhh, improve the situation somehow?
You're being ridiculous.
Pasteurization aka boiling
Regular refrigerated shelf milk is not brought to the boiling temperature. It is brought to 71.5 C / 160.7 F for 15 seconds. The boiling temperature of milk is around 95 C.
ultra high temperature pasteurized milk is brought way above the boiling point (135 C) for 2 seconds, but you won't find that in the refrigerated section. It will be sitting in a carton in an unrefrigerated aisle.
They put ultra pasteurized milk in the same cooler as regular milk in my neck of the woods. Same for egg nog.
Interesting, maybe it's a perception thing? UHT is supposed to be shelf stable for like 6-9 months, although it might last even longer if refrigerated. I'd imagine I'd your area's milk is normally refrigerated, then it could be hard to sell UHT milk to someone if it's not even in the cooler at time of purchase.
Yeah I suspect it’s shaped location, but also if you’re used to milk being cold, it’s the place you’re going to look, and it’s going right in your fridge when you get home.
The reason for avoiding pasteurization is to maintain nutrients.
It’s got nothing to do with whatever ethic might require a person to purposefully invite infection, as this post seems to presuppose.
No, it's just ignorance. Plus if it DID destroying nutrients in any meaningful sense, you would still get more nutrients because you wouldn't be having constants diarrhea due to drinking raw milk.
So what scientific experiments have you conducted to come to this conclusion? Obviously, you can never trust a real scientist, right? So you must have done SOMETHING to come to this conclusion all on your own.
So tell me your methods. I’d love to see your groundbreaking findings, since you’re the smartest person in the world and no one will ever be able to trump your science.
Isn't pasteurization just heating it up to kill the bacteria? I don't remember all the details but it's like not eating raw chicken or something similar.