EDIT: Which is actually more than Taiwan has done, the government in exile on Taiwan considers itself the rightful government of the entirety of mainland China and parts of Mongolia.

[–] Blake@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Way to just completely ignore my point and move the goal posts?

Are the 13 colonies a separate country because they declared independence from the United Kingdom?

Don’t bother replying. I don’t want waste my time talking to people who can’t answer a simple question

[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not moving the goalposts, I'm just pointing out that it's a bit disingenuous to frame a question about what should happen in an unresolved civil war as a question of nations and their sovereignty. It would be disingenuous to frame Russia's intervention in Ukraine as defending the independence of an entire country, I think it's a similar situation between ROC/PRC, the primary difference being the length of the dispute.

Which is relevant if we're talking about how one can consistently be anti-imperialist, I think. I agree it's a bit flippant to say stuff about 'giving up Loser Island' but I think it's important to recognize that it's more complicated than 'two independent countries fighting over the territory of one of them.'

[–] RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Don’t bother replying. I don’t want waste my time talking to people who can’t answer a simple question

[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Donbas isn’t comparable. The government in Taiwan has had a continuous existence since before the CCP.

If the rebellious territories of the Donbas was actually a preexisting government that had all the rest of its territory taken in a civil war you might be onto something. In reality Ukraine gained sovereignty from imperial USSR and now imperial Russia wants to take it over again.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taiwan isn't a country. They don't consider themselves independent, China doesn't consider them independent, the U.S. doesn't consider them independent.

How can you consider yourself anti-imperialiat when you don't know the basic facts of the situation?

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_independence_movement

the current Tsai Ing-wen administration of Taiwan maintains that Taiwan is already an independent country as the Republic of China (ROC) and thus does not have to push for any sort of formal independence.

Gaslight harder, king.

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Have you considered the possibility that people living in Fuzhou, Putian, Quanzhou, Xiamen and Zhangzhou (among many millions of others along the coast) don't want to have American nukes pointed at them a mere 200-300 kilometers away?

Also neither China, the US, the :international-community-1::international-community-2: or the rest of the world do not recognize Taiwan as independent. Only the :nato-cool: despite this, want to wrest Taiwan away to build a puppet state.

Oh yeah and the official acronymn is "CPC".