This whole counter offensive insanity is so militarily nonsensical that it had to have been mounted to please the West with a "win" so that they'd stay in the war. Real Chiang Kai Shek committing the best of the KMT army to Shanghai to impress the Westerners energy.

The West is standing on the sidelines, supplying just enough equipment to keep the embers going and judging the ordinary Ukrainians going to their deaths by their hundreds.

Fuck the clowns in charge in Kiev and fuck the Nazi militias obviously. But at this point the men being sent to the front are old men and boys dragged off the street against their will. Sending them to die to appease the West is fucking sick.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 19 points 1 year ago (99 children)

This got an upvote?

Are you open to proposing your master plan?

Ukraine has been invaded. Are you suggesting they do not fight back?

NATO is not war. No NATO country has been attacked. Engaging against Russia directly would put NATO at war with a nuclear power. I cannot imagine that this is your plan.

Not just “the West”, but everybody is on the sidelines as far as direct engagement goes. Most countries are assisting Ukraine where they can. Some to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. Most have imposed crippling sanctions. So. “sidelines” is a bit misleading from that perspective.

Even Russia’s allies are “on the sidelines”. You certainly do not see much overt support from China. They have even maintained ( in fact stepped-up ) diplomatic relation with Ukraine.

Or are you trying to imply that the underlying cause of everything here is something other than Russia’s continued invasion? Everybody could truly go back to the sidelines if Russia just left.

The only other path is for Ukraine to win. Are you supporting that or not?

[–] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most countries are assisting Ukraine where they can.

lmao here i am living in a 200 million people country where nobody gives a single fuck about ukraine

even more political groups and discussions rarely involve ukraine except when lula decides to own zelensky in some way, no one here cares about nato's proxy war

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

even more political groups and discussions rarely involve ukraine except when lula decides to own zelensky in some way, no one here cares about nato's proxy war

I mean why should they? Brazil as a country (you mention lula, so) isn't in NATO so it doesn't have an ideological reason to support Russia or Ukraine in the matter. There's nothing to be gained geographically for Brazil either, since whoever controls Kyiv doesn't directly impact any strategic concerns for Brazil afaik.

You say no one cares, so while I think most people in Canada and US hope that Ukraine "wins", does that mean apathy in that regard or would you say most people are passively hoping Russia achieves its war goals?

[–] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

i think most people here are just apathetic towards it, yea

as for smaller, more involved groups, you have the english-speaking libs and the middle class which are just nyt-brained to the core (on every single issue, so you can guess their opinions), and the communists and PT libs (with opinions that are pretty close to ours: "war is bad, putin is shit, and we should stay away from the whole thing, but hopefully the end result of this one is a weaker, and not a stronger, american/nato empire")

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

the communists and PT libs (with opinions that are pretty close to ours: "war is bad, putin is shit, and we should stay away from the whole thing, but hopefully the end result of this one is a weaker, and not a stronger, american/nato empire")

All sounds very reasonable, tbh even the libs and middle-class positions make sense to me if they are plugged into the same media as US libs.

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