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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 40 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Why do we even need a toilet paper machine 2.0 to use windows 11?

Joke aside, yeah what's up with that? People been able to bypass it and have no problem.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 33 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Rumour is it's literally only there as an olive branch to hardware manufacturers to force people to buy new hardware. There's literally no technical reasons for it.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.

there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it's for security.

basically, the same bullshit line that's used to justify half of the bullshit unpopular changes that anyone pushes anywhere.

"it's for security" - no it's not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don't actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it's for profit.

"it's for the environment" - admirable thought, too bad that's not profitable. I don't believe you mr. for profit company.

"for the kids"- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you'll see why they always do for this in. it's the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they've been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it's just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you're great to protect kids I'm instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What I heard (on here, and I hope it's a vicious rumor) is that TPM 2.0 comes with backdoors accessible to Microsoft via the OS so that a significant chunk of the computer belongs to Big MS and not to the end user, and it will squeal and cause problems if the end user tries to take it back.

The whole point of TPM 1.0 hypothetically was to allow a larger secondary encryption key of a device to be accessible only by a small user-provided key (say a four-digit PIN), and requiring use of the key-query software to run to get the secondary key. A limited number of chances with longer delays with each wrong answer heightens security.

But this pissed off government law enforcement across the world, who want backdoors for when they want to crack the phone of a very important criminal.

It would be nice if Apple, Google and Microsoft had more respect for their end users than they do national and corporate institutions, but we know this isn't really the case, so it's at least plausible that TPMs 1.0 or 2.0 come pre-backdoored. It doesn't hurt that this is exactly what FBI and NSA want even though (Pre-9/11 and Pre-PATRIOT) NSA is supposed to be assuring that no-one, not even police can crack our secure communication protocols.

Despite efforts to look into it, I've yet to get an answer I can fully trust whether or not they are backdoored. But since Microsoft is notorious for exactly this kind of bullshit since the 1980s, I assume it's true that TPMs are backdoored until I find convincing information otherwise.

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Please don't spread bullshit conspiracy theories.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You have trustworthy sources to indicate it's a bullshit conspiracy theory? Cite them!

Otherwise you can express your skepticism without being hostile. Thanks.

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You are making the claims, the onus is on you to cite your sources.

Do you have any trustworthy sources to back up these bullshit claims? I didn't think so. Now, fuck off.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I claimed it was a plausible rumor, and given Win10 and Win11 are already spyware and resistant to end-user full control, I already have strong cause to distrust Microsoft, which is what I said.

So chill your reactor before it melts down. Unless you want a block, because this is how you get a block.

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 3 points 4 weeks ago

It's also plausible that you are the zodiac killer. I heard that you're an asshole on the road and that you're an inconsiderate prick who doesn't return his shopping cart to the corral.

See how that works? Don't spread bullshit and FUD.

You can block as much as you want, you're still gonna get called out on your shit, the difference is that you'll be the only one who doesn't see it.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

HP has a tool to upgrade TPM firmware from 1.x to 2.0.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

It’s for OS level DRM. And I would bet some spying too.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

The toilet paper machine is to mop up all the shit they keep dropping on us.

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

In lieu of the bullshit replies you have gotten, I will answer.

TPM is a security measure. By default your hard drive on Windows 11 will be protected with bit locker. Bit locker is hard drive encryption. It does more stuff but that's the broad strokes. This means that if your laptops get stolen or your computer gets stolen or whatever it is no longer in danger of all of your information and files being taken.

There are other advantages as well. For example a TPM could make it much easier for anti-cheat to detect cheating. However, no games use it yet because not every system has a TPM, blah blah blah.

TPM is actually a really good thing. The problem is that the vast majority of systems do not have a TPM header and therefore cannot add a TPM. This means that those systems have to be replaced.

I work for a managed service provider so I deal with a lot of companies that refuse to upgrade their systems. Thanks to Windows 11 they are being forced to upgrade systems that are up to 15 years old and basically unusable. This is actually kind of a godsend. There are downsides to this yes, but it is not just some ill thought out idea.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 4 weeks ago

Huh, neat. Thanks for the informative reply. My system is actually ancient at this point(gen4 intel cpu), i only use it to play games and youtube/movie, while i still able to run some game, it does feel aged. I guess it's really time to get it changed.