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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Linus is an absolute cunt for not only following this gleefully but then attributing pushback to "russian trolls" and "state propaganda" fuck you man.

These people weren't the MIT pricks who inserted vulnerabilities into the kernel, they were contributors who did hard work and helped advance FREE software. Linus is now turning his back on the GPL and manning it clear that Linux can be controlled by the US state on a whim.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, anyone who is celebrating this is shortsighted and letting their own nationalistic ideas and jingoism cloud their judgement.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is a hot war going on and the US is using sanctions to isolate Russia from using western technology to continue their genocide. That goes a little beyond "nationalistic ideas". Russia is being isolated for their actions and this was past due. It sucks for the Russian maintainers, but under the heading of "war is hell" this is a minor inconvenience.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The US is the most belligerent nation on earth, shall we ban american contributors? How about israeli?

Should their code be removed from the kernel?

The real question i haven't seen answered is Who owns the kernel code. Torvalds owns the Linux™ but that's to prevent others from buying it, but i was under the impression the source code is owned by all those who contribute to it and not whoever happens to be employing Torvalds at the time. Or is it a matter of where https://git.kernel.org/ happens to be hosted?

I'd suggest Codeberg but that's in Germany, so maybe another forgejo instance hosted maybe in Switzerland.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Who owns the copyright is irrelevant. Russian developers are still entirely entitled to use and modify the Linux source. The only thing they can't do is submit their changes for inclusion in the main Linux development tree. The only real consequence for them is that their changes might be broken by future kernel updates and they will have to fix it themselves to use newer kernels. That, and they will have to maintain their own distribution system. I've also seen nothing to suggest anyone's code is being removed.

The US didn't invade Ukraine and, obviously, isn't under US or European sanctions. I'm sure that you and I could agree on a great deal when it comes to American foreign policy, it's just not relevant to this situation where Russia is the clear aggressor. (Setting aside the usual "buffer zone" bullshit that every aggressor state uses and Putin already abandoned).

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@Tinidril @0x0 I'm sorry but I think our shoeing in of Zelenskyy did count as an invasion.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago

Sure, if words are meaningless.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who owns the copyright is irrelevant.

It is, which is why i focused on where the repository is located and whether that determines possession.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago

Possession is irrelevant too. Access to source code has not being restricted, and doing so wouldn't even be realistically possible. The only practical change is that new updates from these developers will not be published by the Linux Foundation, and ongoing integration will not be done by mainline Linux developers.

If Russia wants, they can fork Linux at any time, call it Rusinux, and do whatever they want with it. They could even port future Linux updates back to their kernel. They still have to keep it under the GPL2 license, but only if they want to honor Western copyright laws and treaties.

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