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You're using them synonymously, you denied the Marxist states as "not Socialist," and have claimed the Marxists on Hexbear are "tankies." Can you meaningfully explain the difference between Marxism and "tankies?" Engels himself even wrote On Authority because Anarchists constantly accused him and Marx of being authoritarian, it isn't a new concept, because Marx advocated for centralization of the Means of Production Anarchists stood firmly opposed.
I'm not going to spend too much time debating a tankie, but I think most of these regimes kinda by definition are not socialist given how little power the workers had. When unions are suppressed and the military and the dictatorship are essentially the same thing, how could they be socialist? Socialism requires that workers own their workplaces, that they run them. This was not the case in the soviet union nor is it the case in china today, where businesses are either organized by the state (like in the soviet union) or mixed (CCP). The state organizing businesses or whatever you want to call them would be fine if the people owned the state, but again these were/are dictatorships.
The people don't control anything at all in your so called marxist states, and so therefore they are not marxist. Centralization is not something that I'm opposed to, but what does it matter how decentralized or centralized something is if it's not also democratically owned?
I would probably call myself a marxist if tankies hadn't so thoroughly stained the term.
Edit: I am also well aware that there were unions in the soviet union, hence the name. However they had little power, and mostly could only ever push for worker safety regulations.
So you've read Marx and Engles and agree with them?
No actually. The Soviet Union was a union of national republics, hence the name.
I want to "throw" Soviet Democracy at you, but I haven't finished my epub of it yet... I should get on it.
Oh, I have This Soviet World. Doesn't go into as much detail, but does go over it.
Ah, I misremembered. I thought soviet meant council as in a union.
Yes. Soviet does mean council. I misinterpreted what you were saying.
Soviets were "units." Not the same as unions, they were horizontal units that elected delegates from among themselves to participate in soviets of soviets vertically. I have a diagram linked in my other comment.