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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Doesn't sound like it would have a nice atmosphere for socialists or anarchists either

Like I said, you can ask the anarchists and socialists there yourself. I'm a Marxist-Leninist, it's a nice atmosphere, and I get along with the Anarchists there as well.

Edit: Also that place allows coordinated attacks against non-tankies, and the most troubling users from blåhaj ran to that place, so I'm not super impressed.

Mind explaining what you mean by "coordinated attacks?" And what do you mean by "troubling users from blåhaj?" People leaving one instance for Hexbear isn't necessarily indicative of Hexbear being bad.

[–] will_steal_your_username@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Hexbear has been problematic from the start. I would love to find some sources, but that would require effort that I'm not willing to expend right now. Basically hexbear has done a lot of brigading and bullying in the past, with blessings from their moderators.

I do not consider tankies socialists, as socialism is inherently anti-authoritarian, and I honestly have little respect for socialists and anarchists that hang out with them. History has seen the regimes the tankies defend ruin attempts at socialism and anarchy countless times, especially considering that these regimes are often military takeovers of actual socialist revolutions.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I'm an anarchist and I agree with what you're trying to say, but marxist-leninists are going to jump all over you with semantics arguments because of your unorthodox use of the word socialist.

Edit: I should mention you would be welcome in slrpnk communities. We're primarily anarchist and have hexbear blocked for the aforementioned brigading, but we are welcoming to everyone so long as they behave themselves.

[–] will_steal_your_username@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's really not unorthodox in leftist spaces, only in tankie and non-leftist places :/

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'll admit my perspective may be skewed because I spend a good amount of time debating marxist-leninists, but I really don't like arguing semantics unless it's important to the discussion at large. For that reason I'll often avoid using words in a way that will start semantics arguments that derail the discussion.

It's also why I typically avoid calling people I'm currently debating tankies, because I think that makes them defensive and is bad for outreach. Maybe I'm wasting my time trying to change people's minds, but if that's the case then people who argue aggressively are definitely wasting their time.

[–] sakodak@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Here's me discovering socialism, new to the (actual) ideas but vibing with them pretty well.

Start talking about it online.

Anarchist: fuck you you stupid fucking tankie.

I had no idea what a tankie was, but I figured out real quick that anarchists are the angsty atheists of the political world.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

If you've had bad experiences with anarchists before I'm sorry, but in my experience anarchists have been much kinder and more welcoming than marxist-leninists, especially in person. Characterizing anarchists as the angsty atheists of the political world is a bit hurtful, but I can see where you're coming from. In the same way atheists sometimes lash out against religious folks, anarchists sometimes lash out against marxist-leninists because of bad experiences in the past. A lot of anarchists I know went through a similar political development where they started being curious about socialism and were met with pretty harsh responses to questions about the more authoritarian aspects of marxism-leninism.

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