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If Palestine got to have its own recognized (by everyone including Israel) and sovereign state, what other different current nation would it most likely resemble? (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by cheese_greater@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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EDIT: I'm interested in how a free Palestine would play out in terms of what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc. For the average citizen/denizen what would that look like?

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc

So the wonderful thing about anti-colonial movements is that even if they start right wing they have to get more left wing as time progresses, simply due to the power dynamics that are created through the process of throwing out the imperialists. Once you stop foreign oppression, you have a grassroots mass of militant and armed revolutionaries that you're accountable to and who get upset when you try to reproduce the same economic system. You also are tied at the hip to them as the imperialists seek a return to an old system.

This includes movements where there is no significant communist presence, but it happens faster when there are communists.

Luckily, the PLFP is the second biggest party represented in the Palestinian joint operations room and have significant military and political power, meaning that in Palestine it probably will take a lot less time to materialize.

[–] SunlitSorceress@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So the wonderful thing about anti-colonial movements is that even if they start right wing they have to get more left wing as time progresses, simply due to the power dynamics that are created through the process of throwing out the imperialists.

This is a bizarre claim.

Congo got more right-wing shortly after independence. So did Tanzania.

Ireland fought a civil war against its anti-colonial left to ensure a right-wing state.

India is now very right wing after independence.

You're stating this like some sort of rule of history.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You're describing neo-colonial regimes that werent able to fully leave the imperialist economic structure.

Compare India to Cuba on women's and lgbt rights