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Hi there, I'm not trying to start a political argument or anything, I'm just curious what people here think about this often repeated claim that the Federation is a socialist or even communist utopia? I know Strange New Worlds did say in dialogue it is socialist but I was wondering if people here think that's accurate? I'm not a communist or a marxist or anything like that, but I've had people who identify as such tell me the Federation basically is communist. So anyway, what's your thoughts?

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[–] MrSaturn@startrek.website 0 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Yeah the Federation has private property and individual rights, so we wouldn't that be liberal?

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Does the Federation really have private property? Are there landlords and business tyrants? Or does it just have personal property, things a person owns for their own personal use?

Personal rights also aren't monopolized by liberalism, as much as neoliberal media tells you it is so. Personal rights also existed in classical slave societies, under feudalism, and yes, under every Marxist state (I don't know about the weirdo ""communist"" ones like Peru or Cambodia)

[–] MrSaturn@startrek.website 0 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I mean ppl own businesses, land and houses. Is that not private property?

I can't think of any societies that emphasize individual rights that aren't liberal

[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Land and houses aren't private property unless you're renting them out. If they aren't a financial asset, they're just personal property.

Businesses are an interesting question? The Federation, or at least its core worlds, doesn't use money (by the 24th century). The only business we see onscreen, on a Federation core world, as far as I can remember, is Sisko's Creole Kitchen. If there's no money, why does Joseph Sisko run it? My guess is to maintain the tradition of Creole cuisine, to perfect his skills as a chef, to meet and interact with guests, and to preserve an historic New Orleans building by keeping it in use. Is it private property? Does he own it? He owns the business in some abstract sense, but the building? Probably not. I'd expect he holds it in trust in some kind of legal arrangement with the city, but there's really no onscreen evidence.

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