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I'm not sure if this is the right community for this question, but it says "no stupid question" so here goes. I'm an Israeli who now lives in the US, but I am considering permanently residing in the US or elsewhere (perhaps somewhere in Europe or Canada) because I've become kinda disillusioned with Israel for a variety of reasons (the war in Gaza being one of them, the erosion of democracy by Likud being another, and etc) but is that cowardly to leave? Should I go back and try to change society or should I just leave for good? Thanks for your time.

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[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 139 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

I'll go against the grain and give you a straight answer.

Yes. You should leave Israel and never go back.

You owe nothing to your country. If you have the possibility to live in a good European country, do it. You're no martyr. You're not billionaire rich. And unless you're a really high rank offcial, an important politician, or want to sacrifice your entire life to a cause, you have no reason to waste your short life in pain.

We're in a silly blue rock between a billion trillion systems, none of which care about you. Your existence is not even a blimp in the context of the universe. You're not important at all. So why waste and suffer on behalf of a thing you have absolutely no control? Be happy, be comfortable, and make those around you happy and comfortable.

Life is pretty hard already, there's no need to make it harder. Go and be happy.

Quick addendum: I'm not saying that because its Israel. I'm saying that in the context of any country. You owe nothing to it, a piece of land that you manage to be birthed on by being really lucky or unlucky. If you can rectify that and move to a better country to you, you should do it instead of suffering.

[–] Sensitivezombie@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

This, unfortunately, is a very individualistic view. We as a society must strive to be a collective and bring prosperity and success to the mass and not the few at the cost of the masses.

This can only happen if we all work together to change the governance and economic systems in our individual countries. It has nothing to do with being a martyr for your country or national pride. It has everything to do with working to bring a better world for us and the future generation.

We can do this, by organizing, educating, and agitating. Joining local organization around this cause is a great start.

Israel means nothing, nor does the US, UK, Russia, etc. These are simply labels created through territorial disputes, nationalism, imperial and colonialism. No one owes anything to these silly labels and their entitlements and propaganda. But, it is only rational that we work to make our own communities a better place by ensuring everyone has an equal opportunity and the wealth generated belongs to us not the few who want nothing more than to keep the status quo. Leaving the community behind for your own better future is self-serving and individualistic view. The notion of only look out for yourself, individualism, is a recent phenomenon in human history, a symptom of the first industrial revolution and capitalism.

Yes, do what makes you happy and live your life the way you want, but not at the cost of the struggle of your community and society at large.

[–] skye@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I don't think OOP wanting to leave Israel will harm the struggle of the community. Plus, who is saying they can't help the cause by being alive and doing things in Europe/Canada/US?

Another thing to consider is that someone fighting for a cause they don't believe in might do more harm to the cause than good.

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