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A recent study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences reveals that across all political and social groups in the United States, there is a strong preference against living near AR-15 rifle owners and neighbors who store guns outside of locked safes. This surprising consensus suggests that when it comes to immediate living environments, Americans’ views on gun control may be less divided than the polarized national debate suggests.

The research was conducted against a backdrop of increasing gun violence and polarization on gun policy in the United States. The United States has over 350 million civilian firearms and gun-related incidents, including accidents and mass shootings, have become a leading cause of death in the country. Despite political divides, the new study aimed to explore whether there’s common ground among Americans in their immediate living environments, focusing on neighborhood preferences related to gun ownership and storage.

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[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You provided several links (many of which were not relevant) that support the idea that a portion of the population (not the whole of a population) believes something. I am having a hard time figuring out why you are unable to differentiate a % of something from the whole of something.

Am I making an assumption when I think the general public associates red baseball caps with MAGA Trumpers? No, because that’s one of their symbols.

Again, you are doing the same thing, so I guess you're consistent. I associate "MAGA" hats with Trumpers, sure... but my initial inclination when I see a red hat from afar is that it's a baseball cap (maybe Angles, Cards, Reds...). Once again, I am a portion of the "general public" that you're completely ignoring; and in doing such, you make a logical fallacy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I see, you think "general population" means "everyone in the entire country." It does not. You also seem to think that symbols have no meaning, which is weird.

I am a portion of the “general public” that you’re completely ignoring

You clearly aren't.

[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“General population” is typically in reference to prison populations; but the term can be used when referencing a full sample size, E.G. 70% of the general population associates red caps with MAGA.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so you do know what it means. Then I'm not sure why you suggested it meant 100% of the population.

[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You’re clearly still misunderstanding and misusing the term. “General population” is 100% of itself.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Everything is 100% of itself.

A pear is 100% of itself. Even if you eat part of it, it's still 100% pear.

[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You’re almost there…

Now when you say “a pear” you’re not taking about portions of the pear, you’re talking about the whole thing.

So when you say “general population…” without qualifying the specific portion you’re referring to… go ahead, I’ll let you say it…

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I am referring to 100% of the people to whom I am referring. I'm not sure why you think that is a great revelation. I'm talking to 100% of you right now.

[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

100% of me is a % of the general public. Thus, the general public does not agree that all AR-15 owners are conservative dickbags.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying that if I claim "the general public likes chocolate" and you personally don't like chocolate, it isn't true?

[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Correct.

If you want to say “there’s a percentage of the general population that likes chocolate,” that would be a true statement; but by the same account, it also means “there is a percentage of the general population that does not like chocolate.” The former implies the latter, and when it breaks down like that, you’re really not saying fuck-all.

Provide some percentages.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So you do think "general public" means "100% of the population."

Good luck getting the rest of the world to agree with you on that. That's certainly not what I meant.

[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What % of the public do you need in order to qualify usage of the statement “general public?”

Is it 51%? That would mean 49% do not agree.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What part of "that’s certainly not what I meant" is unclear to you?

Or are you claiming that you know what I meant better than I do?

[–] Frog-Brawler@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I think it's a little late to be asking me what I meant at this point since you were so sure you knew up until now.