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On a brisk day at a restaurant outside Chicago, Deb Robertson sat with her teenage grandson to talk about her death.

She’ll probably miss his high school graduation. She declined the extended warranty on her car. Sometimes she wonders who will be at her funeral.

Those things don’t frighten her much. The 65-year-old didn’t cry when she learned two months ago that the cancerous tumors in her liver were spreading, portending a tormented death.

But later, she received a call. A bill moving through the Illinois Legislature to allow certain terminally ill patients to end their own lives with a doctor’s help had made progress.

Then she cried.

“Medical-aid in dying is not me choosing to die,” she says she told her 17-year-old grandson. “I am going to die. But it is my way of having a little bit more control over what it looks like in the end.

That same conversation is happening beside hospital beds and around dinner tables across the country, as Americans who are nearing life’s end negotiate the terms with themselves, their families and, now, state lawmakers.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (36 children)

Though I mostly agree with you, I think its a more complicated issue than the picture you're painting.

If I want to kill myself, it's my life right? Only many times people get suicidal due to mental illness or hardship and don't really want to does it's more an "temporary issue", if you will, that can pass with time, or can be cured with medication, therapy, or resolving the situation that caused the suicidal thoughts. So government steps in and outright stop you. Euthanasia laws exist to make sure that people only end their lives when there is no way for the person to continue living without suffering, and it requires some bureaucracy.

Facial tattoos? Sure, do what you want but I think many people underestimate the issues that will enter their lives if they get them. It might cost you a great job, you ready for that? I'd say regulations for that should require like 30 days for you to think about what you are about to do..

Gender reassignments? Sure, but... At what age are we going to allow that? I've seen way too many people saying it's okay for any kid at 5 years old. I've seen some kids where at 5, it's pretty clear that yeah, this kid is different. I've also personally seen 10 year olds where it was clear that the parents were pushing it on the child and then the school and everything around the child jumped on the bandwagon and kept supporting the parents decision z not the child's decision.

Persona drug use, sure. There are more than enough drugs, however that WILL destroy your life. There is no good outcome for someone using meth, for example l, outside a medical treatment, perhaps. So you do outright forbid that. Same for opioids, or are you going to tell me that free availability of opioids is a good idea?

Vaccines, anyone? Thanks to anti scientific and illiterate conspiracy idiots, measles are back and brace yourself for polio. Those fuckers that spread this bullshit should be locked up for murder, IMHO. There is no personal choice with vaccines, you fucking take them, or you will cause the suffering of others around you so shut up and take them.

Hell, even things like seatbelts can, should, and must be forced by government because if you don't, you get the idiots believing that seatbelts are dangerous because "insert stupid story here" so I let my 5 year old in the front seat right next to me, both without seat belt going 120kmh down the freeway. People like that should have their kids taken away, honestly, because they can't be responsible for a cat, let alone a child.

Bodily autonomy is not as easy as it seems, a lot of idiots need to be protected from themselves, and the rest of us must be protected from those idiots too. By law.

[–] andxz@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I've been on opiates for the past decade and a half due to two failed surgeries. I'm not saying my life is perfect by any means, but I can guarantee that I'd be a worse parent and a lot less social without said opiates.

I do take tolerance breaks and I'm (usually) somewhat strict with my dosage, but still, it doesn't necessarily "ruin your life" even if you don't do all that.

Not arguing that it can't be addictive, however. It absolutely can, but it is also possible to live with it.

It would also be a lot easier if it wasn't completely bound to the current doctor you have to go through. Since my second surgery I've had ~12 different doctors, all with their own ideas about how things should be treated, and almost none of them have paid any attention to the fact that changing medication or dosages arbitrarily messes up my daily life every goddamn time. If I could just take care of it myself it'd be way less of a hassle.

Punishing people because they try to avoid pain is such a bad idea in the first place, as we'll do almost anything if it's bad enough.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I have no problem with people taking opioids as medication with the support of a doctor. Opioids have been used extremely irresponsible by doctors due to lack oversight and laws in the US, cussing a shit show, but there we get into legal and regulatory territories.

As long as it's done responsible, any drug might be useful. Ive read great stuff about LSD in mental health treatment, and would love to see more.

[–] andxz@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You can probably imagine how it was to live through that time with chronic pain. I live in northern Europe and even here doctors went from reasonable to outright hostile at the mere mention of opiates. I had one doctor write angry letters to another doctor because she had written me a 3 month prescription instead of the usual one month at a time.

It's taken them almost 15 years to trust me with a 6 month prescription at a time.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I can understand the reaction, you can't deny the suffering that the abuse of opioids has caused in the world, I fully believe they might be a bit over protective with it, which sucks for you.

Either way, I have no problem with opioids, or any medication (hell, even meth) being used responsibily by doctors to ease suffering and cure illnesses.

I just think that those that are addicted (to anything, really) should be treated (forcibly if needed) and where possible cured from their addictions.

Prohibiting drugs indeed is not a good way to go, though I would not allow substances like meth or opioids readily available over the counter either.

[–] andxz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I'd probably be okay with over-the-counter availability of opiates in regulated doses, but otherwise I agree with you. Meth in particular afaik doesn't have any medical uses that other amphetamines wouldn't do better, so I'm with you there.

It's borderline impossible to cure someone from an addiction they're not ready to fight themselves. You can lock them in, but then it's simply prison with another name. Give someone a reason and the means to live a better life and they have a better chance of making it, in my opinion.

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