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Poll shows US public support for LGBTQ+ protections falling for first time since 2015
(www.theguardian.com)
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The moderate/centrist position between "kill the gays" and "don't permit the killing of gays" is "kill some of the gays."
That's all there is to it. If you are a moderate on this issue, you're a violent bigot.
Soooooo tired of people incorrectly simplifying what a centrist would believe by taking the extreme ends and picking the exact middle stance. That's almost never how you get to a centrist view and it's a great way to ostracize them.
A centrist on gay rights likely sees that marriage is legal, culturally it's acceptable, so why should they fight for more rights, they're already equal?
I don't agree with this stance, but you'll notice it's not a "violent bigot" stance, just an ignorant one.
Which is true, but the apparent centrists give oxygen to the extremist position, which in turns gives that extremist view false legitimacy.
The very existence of centrism on this topic implies that there's some kind of queer supremacy movement that has anything like the traction in popular culture that homophobia and transphobia have, which isn't the case. There's no centrist position, here, there's a humanist position, and then there's a pack of retrograde bigots and the grifters that are weaponizing them, and as soon as centrists recognize that and start outright condemning these people and their views, the better.
That's the fallacy of the excluded middle.
The centrist position is something like "lgbt people should not be discriminated against, but trans people can't demand to be included into women's sports"
Let's not pretend that everything is simple and there's no nuance and complications in life
If the extremist position on the left is "trans women should be allowed to compete against cis women ", and the extreme position on the right is “trans people are pedophile groomers” then we have an asymmetry of viewpoints, or the middle isn’t actually where people think it is.
We also have to consider that exclusion from sports won’t get trans people killed.
I'll further expand on this. The extremist left position is "trans women have no difference from any other kind of woman because binary gender doesn't exist"
Extremist right positions can be just about anything, including stone the gays (see: Middle East Muslim states)
But there's a gamut, and US conservative extremist position might be "trans people are sick in the head and you shouldn't encourage them by pretending they are a different sex than they are"
So in both cases there's an excluded middle of sex and gender not matching. The centrist position is people can have a different gender from their sex. This was a leftist position when I went to college, but it's pretty much accepted by society today
But they factually aren't equal. It's legal to discriminate against gays in a variety of ways -- including in employment and, apparently, when selling business services. They are not a protected class in most places. They are directly targeted by hostile, criminalizing legislation all over the place. They aren't fighting for MORE rights, they're still fighting for equal rights and are far, far away from winning them.
Which means the centrist position, by your logic, is that gays should remain second-class citizens because they already got everything they need, even though it's still factually legal to discriminate against them? That's not actually different from the far right's position that it should be illegal to be gay. It's far, far away from the liberal position that people have a right to not be discriminated against. There's no moderation in that position. It's still the "kill some gays" position.
So no, I'm not incorrectly simplifying. I'm cutting away the bullshit. If you or anyone you know is a "centrist" on gay rights by the logic that they "already" are safe, those people are monsters. The only way to be a "centrist" in the way you have described is to be upsettingly ignorant. And if the entire philosophy of centrism is that these people are too ignorant to form a cognizant moral position, what are we even talking about?
You're the type of person who makes claims that are not true, hurting the cause
https://www.employmentlawworldview.com/landmark-u-s-supreme-court-ruling-prohibits-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-based-discrimination-in-employment-us/
It's not legal to discriminate based on sexual orientation in employment