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Timothée Besset, a software engineer who works on the Steam client for Valve, took to Mastodon this week to reveal: “Valve is seeing an increasing number of bug reports for issues caused by Canonical’s repackaging of the Steam client through snap”.

“We are not involved with the snap repackaging. It has a lot of issues”, Besset adds, noting that “the best way to install Steam on Debian and derivative operating systems is to […] use the official .deb”.

Those who don’t want to use the official Deb package are instead asked to ‘consider the Flatpak version’ — though like Canonical’s Steam snap the Steam Flatpak is also unofficial, and no directly supported by Valve.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (38 children)

I know the "Arch BTW" meme exists for a reason, but one of the reasons I haven't been able to drag myself away from Arch-based distros in recent years is that it allows me to always have current versions of my software while also just not having to care about all this appimage/flatpak/snap brouhaha.

I guess it's somewhat of a "pick your poison" kind of situation, but I find dealing with the typical complaints about Arch based distros to be both less of a problem than detractors would have you believe, and less of a headache than having to pick one of three competing alternative packaging approaches, or worse, to use a mix of them all. Standing on the sidelines of the topic it seems like a small number of people really like that these options exist, and I'm happy for those people. But mostly I'm grateful that I don't have to care about this kind of thing.

Edited to add: Seeing how this thread has developed in the past 5 hours convinces me anew that "on the sidelines" is where I want to stay on this topic. 😁

[–] Samueru@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I was like you using arch packages for everything until ferdium was hit by a terrible bug that broke its zoom function and wont be fixed in months since it is an issue with electron. Now I use the appimage version of it to downgrade to an older version.

And then there are the rust programs that you can only find as aur git packages which means installing a bunch of dependencies and all the crap that cargo puts into my home dir just to build one binary, for that I just instead take the appimage version or sometimes the binary if they release it and place it in ~/.local/bin.

Another good thing is that the appimages get compressed and take less disk space, for example the libreoffice package in arch is 600 MiB while the appimage is 300 MiB.

And the great thing is that I can just drop my homedir into any distro and as long as I make sure that fuse is installed everything will work out of the box.

[–] shucks@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It sounds like NixOS would solve all your problems. And it makes coffee too!

[–] sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Still figuring out Nix for my daily driver (too many fun customizations moving away from gnome), but love it so far and built my last self-hosted box with it. So easy to redeploy after the initial learning curve. Boot from ISO, partition with disko, upload SSH key to decrypt sops, install.

Oh and since practically everything can be overridden, its easy to get bleeding edge using existing packages!

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Nix is objectively a bad language. Glancing past the syntax (which is atrocious and the parser is completely unhelpful) it's just a bad idea to mix lazy evaluation and dynamic typing, the only way to get understandable error messages with nix is to put asserts all over the place, hoping one of them gets triggered by the evaluator.

That said I still love the system to bits and fixing the language actually wouldn't be that hard: Add static typing, with inference most stuff should just run as-is. Exception are the two or three uses of the y-combinator (yes, seriously, that's how you recurse in nix) deep in the bowels of nixpkgs, e.g. during stdenv bootstrap. Just make fix a primitive, or maybe a plain fold I don't think nix even needs to be Turing-complete. Reason it's not being done is that there's enough other stuff to work on and, well, Stockholm syndrome. Good news: Nix doesn't support constructing import paths dynamically, that would have been a nightmare to sort out in a static setting.

[–] sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

I don't mind most of the language having FP experience, but I agree the lack of static typing just sucks. I'm using the repl a lot to try and track down why things aren't aligning quite right when trying different techniques to keep things DRY and organized. Documentation is also a headache as a newb with the multiple ways of structuring a repo while trying to grok all the implicits and how it all gets merged.

[–] Samueru@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is NixOS xdg base dir compliant? that is one of the reasons I don't use flatpak.

[–] shucks@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago

Yes, all the environment variables are set automatically and programs respect them.

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