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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/1505645

Alt text: Screengrab from Star Trek: TNG showing Data saying to Picard "the Irish Unification of 2024"

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[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 8 points 11 months ago (17 children)

Sometimes it is effective. Just ask everyone who salivated over the PATRIOT act.

Now whether is justified is an entirely different story.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (16 children)

that was Data’s whole point. Then, just as Picard was about to dish out a bunch of huffy, self-righteous moral indignation, their conversation got cut off by an incoming message or some other rather convenient interruption. Trek was often bold in how it approached controversial sociopolitical subjects. And, sometimes, it scampered off without honestly addressing them.

this occasion was one of the latter.

edit: although, one could argue that, due to the fact that Data got his comment in before Picard was able to give a self-righteous counter-argument, the writers, in fact, were quite brave. The comment was so controversial, in fact, the episode was banned in several markets which refused to air this episode, and it still remains banned in some places to this day.

From Memory-Alpha:

Due to political sensitivity, as Ireland was still in the midst of the Troubles when "The High Ground" aired in 1990, the reference to Irish unification and terrorism in the episode resulted in its removal from first-run in the United Kingdom. To date, some syndicating networks will not air the episode, and it was only in 2007 (fifteen years after its first run, nine years after the conflict ended in a peaceful manner) that it was broadcast on the BBC.

[–] VioletTeacup@feddit.uk 1 points 11 months ago (15 children)

In fairness, it's less controversial and more that the line is outright offensive. At the time, people were being murdered by acts of terrorismin in the troubles, so to wontonly say that those attacks are effective and will get results was extremely insensitive. It's sort of like saying 9/11 was an effective use of terrorism shortly after it happened, or the 2015 Paris attacks.

That being said, it's still an interesting point that Data raises in the episode.

[–] porthos@startrek.website 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

In fairness, it’s less controversial and more that the line is outright offensive. At the time, people were being murdered by acts of terrorismin in the troubles, so to wontonly say that those attacks are effective and will get results was extremely insensitive. It’s sort of like saying 9/11 was an effective use of terrorism shortly after it happened, or the 2015 Paris attacks.

I mean I get that it is a pretty touchy subject, but honestly at the end of the day the 9/11 attacks were stunningly effective at doing exactly what Bin Laden wanted us to do, get involved in a long drawn out war that undermined the stability of the US and accelerated its collapse.

The asshole literally wrote this all out in a letter and I am glad it made the rounds recently because we took the bait hook line and sinker. If as a society stories had trained us to think of terrorism not as some existential evil that comes from satan but rather a brutal political/military strategy enacted to accomplish certain logical political aims we might have been more equipped to deal with a 9/11 response more rationally. Specifically maybe we wouldn’t have just signed off on US warhawks throwing Iraq into the mix for absolutely no good reason than imperialism (Bin Laden must have been whooping and hollering happy when he heard the US decided to get itself stuck in TWO endless wars because of his actions).

[–] VioletTeacup@feddit.uk 0 points 11 months ago

Interesting; I didn't know that! It's definitely an interesting subject to say the least.

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