this post was submitted on 02 Jan 2024
142 points (91.8% liked)

Solarpunk

5327 readers
23 users here now

The space to discuss Solarpunk itself and Solarpunk related stuff that doesn't fit elsewhere.

What is Solarpunk?

Join our chat: Movim or XMPP client.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 68 points 8 months ago (18 children)

Yes! This has been very frustrating for me as an engineer. I chose this path in order to help solve the big problems of our times. And then realized that we don't need engineers for that, solutions are lying unused on the floor everywhere.

Climate: We know electrification displaces fossil fuel usage. And we know how to produce electricity without emitting CO2 (yes, nuclear, but now increasingly renewables). We don't have one solution to get out of the climate crisis, we have a dozen. I don't have any work there as an engineer. There is a political opposition to overcome, from conservatives mostly but shockingly also from ecologists who refuse to do their homeworks and still claim EVs or nuclear energy is not part of the solution. We could have solved the CO2 emission crisis in the 90s.

Work automation: My main focus as a roboticist. I started doubting my path when I realized that subway trains were not automated 50 years after it became possible (and done in a real world deployment). We could be in a post-labor society today, but the transition period to it is so scary that we refuse to take the jump.

Inequality: Redistribution works. Proven, published, profitable to the majority. Ergo, the minority of rich make sure democracy remains broken.

Fascism: Education works. Population educated about critical thinking and media literacy spread far less misinformation. People who know about the Milgram experiment are less likely to fall for unethical orders. Yet we do not do it.

It is weird. I am a big technophile and hard science lover but if I were back in my 18s I would rather choose either social science or arts as a lever to change things for the best. Engineers have done their work. We will continue to make it easier to bring good to the work but when you see ecologists moan about wind turbines being ugly, EVs being non-ideal and conservatives about coal being manly and chunky vibrating thermal cars being cool, it feels a bit like installing an escalator to the fitness center: the problem is not in the accessibility, it is in the will.

Interested in other peoples take on it btw.

[–] thehomespundays@triangletoot.party 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@keepthepace @poVoq None of the powers that be want a post-labor society. Bullshit jobs keep us bouncing along not building a more just and vibrant world while they get to play Tony Stark.

[–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think we overestimate the imagination of these "powers that be". I don't think they believe a post-labor society is possible. They think exploitation is a necessary and natural way for society to function. Imagination is on our sides, politics can't be more imaginative than the population that elects them.

I really think we have a crisis of imagination there.

[–] thehomespundays@triangletoot.party 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@keepthepace maybe. I know I genuinely can't see how to get from here to there.

[–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Make it seem possible, make it desirable and most people will claim they have always wanted it. Problem is, most people don't perceive it as possible today, while it is. That's not an engineering, that's PR!

load more comments (16 replies)