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Genuine question.

I know they were the scrappy startup doing different cool things. But, what are the most major innovative things that they introduced, improved or just implemented that either revolutionized, improved or spurred change?

I am aware of the possibility of both fanboys and haters just duking it out below. But there's always that one guy who has a fkn well-formatted paragraph of gold. I await that guy.

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[โ€“] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I agree they didn't "get lucky", they timed their device to the costs that were outside of their control. This is a common theme in venture capital: timing. You have to time your entry correctly. Too early and it's too expensive, too late and someone else did it and maybe took the market.

After that I think we have different ideas of what innovation is. To me innovation is inventing. Something new. Blackberry was the innovative device. They were the first (common) smartphone. Touch screens existed in various places (some things released, some not), apple didn't innovate that. Yes even the pinch to zoom existed on some smart table thing. Scrolling? Pretty sure that was old fry. Touch screen on phones? Pretty sure Nokia had that. So what did apple do? What apple does well is refine. They took existing idea/invention of a smartphone, they took the existing tech/invention of a touchscreen, they timed it, and put out the a touch phone. This was possible because costs of touchscreens came down. The march of technology did not depend on apple.

[โ€“] drev@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I'll argue that the blackberry was just a better implementation of the already existing PDA exactly like the iPhone was just a better implementation of already existing touch-screen device, but beyond that I just don't feel like taking time to repeat/clarify points I've already made or responding to "pretty sure"s. So I'll just suggest we agree to disagree on this particular topic and wish you a merry Christmas ๐ŸŽ…

[โ€“] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Lol when you start mocking someone you show who you actually are. Speaks louder than anything you actually say.

[โ€“] drev@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm absolutely not mocking you.

You're basing some of your arguments on things you don't seem to actually know, and using incorrect interpretations of my words as basis for some of your counter-points. I've noticed a pattern in people who formulate and present arguments/points similar to the way you do, and they tend to be difficult to hold civil discussions with, so I chose to end our discussion.

I'm sorry if that comes off as harsh or rude, but it's my honest reason for ending our discussion. There's truly no malice or mockery behind my words

Anyway, this is my last message to you. And since you seem to have read my previous message as a passive aggressive mockery, I really do genuinely hope you have a great holiday season.

[โ€“] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You were absolutely mocking. 100%. And you continue! (with even more apparent attacks). Anyway when you mock people I have no desire to converse with you. Cheers.