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[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 7 months ago (20 children)

I don't get all the Apple hate from the Linux community. Out of the box you have a fully usable *NIX machine


they even switched the default shell to zsh! No advertising in the Start menu, and ssh (client and server) included by default. Install homebrew and boom


tmux, htop, nload, lolcats.....most of your favorite tools can be installed easy as on any linux distro.

I use Debian for personal use, and I much prefer it...but basically only because I prefer i3 to the Mac GUI.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 56 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Virtually non-repairable hardware I'm especially salty on disks and keyboards. The SMCs have been garbage for years.

Expensive as hell.

Crappy default package management. Crappy heat management. Years of ignoring customers wants (escape key). Their logs are half-assed. Xcode is pretty trashy and they keep doing non backwards compatible upgrades for things. Once* a box reaches a number of years old You can't get OS updates anymore then you can't have xcode versions updates anymore.

They're pretty, They have great battery life, and they're *nix but the advantages fall apart pretty quickly when you start digging into them.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Crappy default package management.

What's wrong with homebrew?

[–] the_sisko@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What's wrong with homebrew?

Crappy default package management.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Homebrew might as well be default.

[–] the_sisko@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That makes about as much sense as saying that pip, gem, npm, cargo, or nix should called be the default package manager on Mac OS...

The default package manager is the default because it manages the system's software. RPM, Deb/apt, pacman, etc. Homebrew is like pip or docker or cargo or snap or whatever else. You can set it up if you'd like but it's certainly not a default. (Though I'm not trying to dispute that it's good 😊)

Mac OS doesn't have a good default package management solution (though they would if they just opened up the app store and added a CLI). It's ok to admit it, and say that third party folks (who Apple does not support unless I'm missing something) are powering a pretty good third party experience. If only Apple cared about people who wanted a truly free an customizable computer, they could make a great OS :)

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Homebrew is fairly different from pip, cargo or npm in that only python developers use pip, only rust developers use cargo, etc. And those are mostly used to manage libraries, rather than executables.

Meanwhile, essentially everyone who uses the console uses homebrew regardless of what programming languages they might or might not use. I was making a joke about how good, useful and basically required homebrew is.

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