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I just got up from conversation with a couple of older black men, that I said "well I got to go back to work and start cracking the whip." And it occurred to me then that it was probably a really insensitive stupid thing to say.

Sadly, it hadn't occurred to me until it's already said.

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[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 85 points 9 months ago (45 children)

cracking the whip

I think this is a fantastic example of what you’re talking about.

On its face, “cracking the whip” doesn’t need to be seen as offensive. Humans have collectively spent far more time using whip cracks to motivate animals than fellow humans, I suspect.

However, the determination of offensive speech is not in the hands of the speaker, but rather in the reception by the listener. That is to say, you can have the purest of intentions but if someone is offended by what you say, no amount of explaining takes away the initial offense. And generally you don’t GET to do that explaining. Damage is done, and that person may then avoid you or already have a shifted opinion of you.

I’ve had to learn this lesson the hard way. And fortunately have had friends who were willing to tell me that I had offended them when I thought what I said was completely benign.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (23 children)

I get what you're saying, but nobody who says they are going to start cracking the whip is talking about training animals. Even if they were, that's not an inoffensive metaphor, either. You're either comparing subordinates to slaves or animals. You're suggesting that physical violence, the threat of torture, is an appropriate motivator, or you wish it were. If that's not what you're saying, then you shouldn't say that, even as an exaggeration or a joke.

It is an offensive metaphor. You may not offend everyone, but if you have offended someone, it's not their fault you said something offensive. They didn't choose to be offended, and made no determination about what you meant. You should say what you mean, clearly, and with intent. Carelessness is not an excuse for using offensive language.

[–] Flumsy@feddit.de 6 points 9 months ago

nobody who says they are going to start cracking the whip is talking about training animals.

It shouldnt be taken literally, its a metaphor, yes... Whats your point?

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