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Hot Take: 5e is too bloated with unnecessary rules and should be simplified (ttrpg.network)

submitted 1 year ago by TheGreatDarkness@ttrpg.network to c/rpgmemes@ttrpg.network

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I recommend this video to look more into OSR philosophy regarding the rules: https://www.youtube.com/live/bCxZ3TivVUM?si=aZ-y2U_AVjn9a6Ua

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[–] BellyPurpledGerbil@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Calling 5e and pf2e bloated with unnecessary rules, meanwhile Pathfinder and 3.5e are quite literally full of a couple decade's worth of volumes and modules, in comparison to OSR?

I don't know if you're a boomer, a troll, or both

[–] Dice@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

PF2e is a joke. It requires reading the whole rules and planning out a character for multiple levels before making your first character. It gatekeeps the hobby worse than FATAL.

Yeah, PF1 and 3.5e are bloated as hell. But you didn't need to read all the feats for all the races before picking human fighter. Plus the people still playing those never used everything that was published.

[–] Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao, I think you confused pf1 and pf2. In pf1 you can build yourself into a corner and create useless characters with ease. In 2e the worst characters are still decent

[–] Dice@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago

Nope, I know both. They both suck because of the required over optimization. But pf1 at least didn't have characters constantly at full hp, which is one of the biggest balance issues.