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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/AngryHelicopter on 2025-01-06 17:42:21+00:00.

While promoting the first season of 1923, in an interview on December 20th, 2022, Taylor Sheridan said "I don’t want to spoil it because I’ve got a show that no one knows much about that I’ve almost wrapped shooting the whole thing. It’s got probably four of the biggest movie stars alive in it, and we’ve kept it quiet." It's now two whole years later, do we know what he was talking about?

EDIT: After reading these comments and reflecting on it, I'm pretty confident he was talking about Lioness. At the time, Saldana and Kidman were known to be in it, but Morgan Freeman wouldn't be announced until January 2023. I think that's what he was referring to when he said they were keeping things quiet. I have no idea who he was referring to as the fourth star, but maybe he just misspoke. (It seems unbelievable that he would sincerely think Martin Donovan is one of "the biggest movie stars alive.")

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/Gato1980 on 2025-01-06 17:03:14+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/Davis_Crawfish on 2025-01-06 16:44:42+00:00.

Shelley Long from CHEERS would be the best example for this. While her reason for leaving was to focus more on her burgeoning film career (she had been in hit films like Outrageous Fortune and The Money Pit) as her last chance at making it big as a movie star, it was also apparent she didn't get along with her co-stars, who were more relaxed and open to having fun whereas Shelley Long, just like Diane, was more focused on doing her job and keeping it professional and it ended up isolating her from the cast. It also didn't help that she was mad that Kelsey Grammer took a chunk of the funnier lines that were meant for Diane. When Frasier came on the show, Diane lost a lot of that snooty humor she had in the initial seasons, her arc becoming even more focused on the Sam and Diane arc. By her last season, her character was missing some episodes with how underwritten she had become.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/DemiFiendRSA on 2025-01-06 03:29:25+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/DemiFiendRSA on 2025-01-06 03:24:56+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/DemiFiendRSA on 2025-01-06 02:43:39+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/Task_Force-191 on 2025-01-06 02:27:45+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/MarvelsGrantMan136 on 2025-01-06 01:40:17+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/MarvelsGrantMan136 on 2025-01-06 01:25:46+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/NoCulture3505 on 2025-01-06 00:18:57+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/gumbo-23 on 2025-01-05 20:18:54+00:00.

Personally, I'm going Bob's Burgers

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/MarvelsGrantMan136 on 2025-01-05 21:08:51+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/Gato1980 on 2025-01-05 03:49:01+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/AporiaParadox on 2025-01-04 14:06:11+00:00.

Usually, when the writers want you to find a character sympathetic, it's not too hard. Be they good guys you're meant to root for or bad guys that are meant to have a sympathetic motivation or a sad backstory, audiences usually get the intended message. But sometimes due to poor writing choices or questionable acting, audiences could instead see these characters as unsympathetic assholes.

Homer Simpson used to just be a relatable blue-collar doofus who loved his family, his biggest flaw being how he strangled Bart. But as time went on, "Jerkass Homer" became more of the norm, making you wonder why Marge is still with him or why he isn't in prison. Peter Griffin from Family Guy got even worse in this regard.

A lot of characters on Game of Thrones also had this problem, especially by the final season. Characters were meant to be complex and sympathetic, but often came off as just mean and/or stupid.

What other characters meant to be sympathetic did you find to actually just be bad people who don't deserve sympathy?

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/Gato1980 on 2025-01-05 16:25:38+00:00.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/Fancy-Commercial2701 on 2025-01-05 00:18:53+00:00.

I love Mandy Patinkin as an actor, and he did a good job in Homeland with the script he had. But my word, Saul Berenson was the most incompetent CIA agent I can ever imagine. Got abducted and had to be saved in every season, had an affair with a Russian agent, let a prisoner kill herself while he was interrogating her, consistently gave piss-poor advice to the President, and more. And still kept getting promoted up in every successive season of the show!

Anyone else in popular tv who can compete with this level of incompetence?

Edit: Homer Simpson, Peter Griffin, etc. are deliberately written in as incompetent for comedic effect. I am looking for characters who the writers didn’t intend to be incompetent, but are anyway.

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The original was posted on /r/television by /u/Puzzled-Tap8042 on 2025-01-04 23:06:51+00:00.