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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They are trying to squeeze as much money out of their platforms as possible, regardless of the fact that it's at the expense of users and will downgrade users experiences.

[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Honestly they do it so consistently that i'm starting to wonder if they have a choice.

A common way to do things for tech startups is that they get venture capital funds, use them to run the business at a loss hoping to acquire market dominance, and then use market dominance to turn a profit. I think a lot of tech startups that we know are currently in phase 2, meaning they've thrown money out the window for years and are now trying to recoup their investments.

Also, Reddit wants to go public and Twitter already is. This is relevant because investors are animals, all they see is short-term profit, and they use their voting power to make the company behave that way.

There's a common thread between both my theories: it's shareholder capitalism. I say this as a lifelong shareholder myself, shareholders ruin everything.

[–] amoroso@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Because they realize they can get away with pretty much anything.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Interest rates go up. Quantitative Easing go down.

They might have to play with real money lol

[–] taco_ballerina@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

This is it. For nearly 15 years money was basically free for tech companies. Banks don't pay anything, bonds don't pay anything, the stock market is overheated and investors are still looking for return. So if your tech company was already public you could borrow in the form of bank loans or bonds for dirt cheap and if it was still privately held you can get money from individual and corporate investors.

Now that the free money era is over a lot of companies have had to finally think about making a profit so that they can keep the lights on. This is why there have been tens of thousands laid off in the tech sector in the last year or so.

As far as Reddit goes I have no idea what they've been thinking. It seems like they've been spending money developing features nobody wants or needs: locally hosted images and video which have to cost a fortune, live chat, and NFTs, to name a few. They've got the ~20th most popular website in the world with millions of daily active users and they can't figure out how to make it profitable?

The API the third party applications used doesn't serve ads. All they had to do for a bump in revenue is to insert ads and require third party applications to display them or risk losing their API access. Users would grumble but it's a pretty reasonable ask. The fact that they didn't do this demonstrates to me that they don't think the money is in serving ads, they think it's in data mining and they can only get the data they want from the official app.

[–] astro@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

capitalism β€” they want more money

[–] http404@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] TwoGems@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
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[–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

The user bubble has popped now that investors started questioning why the fuck they’ve been investing huge amounts of money into companies that make no money just because they have lots of users. With that investment money drying up, these tech companies are desperate to start making a profit so they can survive and grow their value still.

TLDR: investment in unprofitable tech companies is drying up and companies that aren’t profitable are scrambling to make money.

[–] Floon@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Cory Doctorow termed it "Enshittification", and wrote about the process here: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

[–] fictitiousexistence@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

I'm glad I read through the whole thing.

Bummed that I won't be winning a testicle 😰

[–] fictitiousexistence@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

I'm glad I read through the whole thing.

Bummed that I won't be winning a testicle 😰

[–] fictitiousexistence@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

I'm glad I read through the whole thing.

Bummed that I won't be winning a testicle 😰

[–] Jaximus@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Stupidity and greed, a great combination!

[–] meddler15Regain@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not necessarily greed. The infrastructure to keep Reddit alive can't be cheap. How do you pay for that? VC money has dried up so these services that have been free to users are all quickly scrambling to make money. I definitely think they did it wrong. They should have planned the API fee changes out for years instead of trying to force it in a month.

[–] jamesh@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They make money by serving adds to the people providing their site content.

And no, that is not what happened. They were trying to increase their valuation for future share holders.

Edit: adding it is the only greed, that is the reason.

[–] ira@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Interest rates had been historically low for a long time. Loans were cheap and venture capital was flowing freely. Tech companies could focus more on growing their market share with lots and lots of runway before they needed to become profitable.

Then during the pandemic, Congress gave a massive bailout to businesses. Inflation went skyrocketing, and the Fed had to raise interest rates to limit the damage.

Now money isn't flowing nearly as freely for tech companies. Loans are more expensive, and investors are more content to leave their money in high-yield bonds instead. Tech companies are pivoting to stop chasing market share and instead start taking their profits from their current market share, even if it means their market share stops growing.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago

I wonder if restricting API access might be related to the explosion of GPT where ML companies need training data and they've been sucking it up from everywhere they can. Reddit and Twitter realized that they could charge these companies for access instead and hence all of a sudden API access costs money.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago

Ultimately a for-profit social platform can only make money via advertising. If you are depending on advertisers to be profitable you become beholden to those advertisers. Advertisers do not care about "community," "sustainability," or what made the platform attractive to users in the first place. But they do care about "public perception," and "number of users," and most importantly number of impressions per user, per hour. The advertisers customers care about things that hurt their branch, so they dont' want NSFW content, they don't want violent content, they don't want controversial content, they don't want anti-capitalist content, they want "quality" impressions.

So if you are twitter or reddit, or facebook, or whatever, if your advertisers make a demand that will piss off your users and make it worse for them you will always do it and you will continue to do it until the platform dies.

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