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Tennessee governor OKs bill allowing death penalty for child rape convictions (apnews.com)
submitted 4 months ago by Wilshire@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world
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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Execution is not punishment, because the convicted person's human experience ends.

Execution is not rehabiliatory, for the same obvious reason.

Execution is not preventative of the same person reoffending any more than imprisonment is.

Execution is not preventative of other people committing the same offense, because the act of execution is removed so completely in time and space from the crime and conviction. And it has to be so removed because of how completely wrong the justice system is kind of all the time.

Execution serves one purpose, and that is vengeance. The State should not be in the business of delivering vengeance to certain people.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Execution also doesn’t reduce offense rates because the severity of punishment doesn’t factor into decision making above “life ruining if convicted” it’s the certainty of being caught that reduces rates. The uk used to hang pickpockets in the town square and you’d get your pockets picked if you stood there watching.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention, if you're already going to go away for life just for rape, why not just kill the kid and dump the body in the woods too?

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

This is exactly what rapists who have been to prison often do because they don't want to go back.

[–] bane_killgrind@kbin.social 4 points 4 months ago

This just tells me, watching people die induces criminal behavior.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I wonder if this would actually deter would-be rapists or incentivize them to simply murder the child so they can’t talk. This seems incredibly reckless without data to support killing these criminals actually reduces child rapes.

Also, I think they might be surprised when these highly conservative legislative bodies execute their hometown pastors instead of drag queens.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There's no evidence that capital punishment deters murder, so I'm not sure why it would deter rape.

I imagine there's still a fair amount of theft in Saudi Arabia despite their cutting the hands off of thieves.

Justice systems where punishments can be meted out that are purely punitive are not especially just.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That assumes the it’s intended to be punishment. I would argue the goal of the laws, stated or not, is vengeance.

ETA: I’m not disagreeing with your statement. Just offering a modified viewpoint.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm against death penalty even for the most heinous crimes for several reasons but the main one being that you'll never going to get a justice system that's 100% accurate in their convictions. Jailing an innocent person is already awful enough but just imagine the sense of injustice when sitting on a death row for a crime you didn't commit. This is an issue especially on cases that provoke strong emotional reactions on people. The default is to believe those accusations and defending yourself just makes one seem more guilty. The mere accusation of rape can already ruin a person's life let alone when the victim is a child.

[–] detective__bunk@real.lemmy.fan 3 points 4 months ago

I sure hope no one gets really accused.