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[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago

Glad to see Comac planes being used at production scale. Hopefully they are safe and push Boeing to do better, but based on recent US actions I bet they will ban Comac to prevent competition.

[–] ped_xing@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Locally made" makes it sounds like they're bringing them home from the farmer's market in a canvas bag.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago

Locally made, ethically sourced, guilt-free, low carb, organic, passenger aircraft.a

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago

Locally produced, artisanal airplanes.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Boeing has generally been one of the lynchpins of China-US trade relationship, and with both the current geopolitical climate and the ongoing quality issues of Boeing aircrafts, of course the Chinese airlines would want to hedge their bets and take a risk on domestically produced jets, even if it is new and relatively unproven at this point. It doesn't mean that they will stop buying from Airbus or Boeing completely, though.

The C919 uses many American/European produced components/subsystem, most notably the CFM LEAP engines, which is also used by both Airbus and Boeing.

[–] Cap@kbin.social 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There is more that goes into an airplane than the people maintaining or assembling it, which can and does go afoul. There is the entire manufacturing process, how materials are sourced, processed, refined, machined/formed, heat treated, stress relieved, coated/plated, assembled, and the list goes on. That is a major factor why aircraft are so safe and if you think China's material and process controls are as rigorous as someone like Boeing or Airbus, it isn't. It has taken decades of actual aircraft manufacturing to get the formula right for those respective companies and they continue to evolve as time goes on and new information is learned.

[–] applepie@kbin.social 13 points 5 months ago

someone like Boeing

U funny

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

and if you think China's material and process controls are as rigorous as someone like Boeing or Airbus, it isn't

Source? You can probably point to specific processes that are done better in the US/Europe. But which ones are preventing China from building a reliable plane?

[–] Cap@kbin.social 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We tested Comac parts for FAA certification. When you've tested parts for decades you can pretty much nail down the cause of the failure be it design, process, materials, a combination and so forth.

Also the c919 is only certified in China. It can't fly in the US or Europe.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Nothing but time. So long as their testing is rigorous, they will catch up to Boeing... But will they be rigorous? History has repeatedly suggested, no.

But we in the west shouldn't count on that continually being the case.

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

That which made China will also be its downfall. They can’t manufacture and sell cheap junk for decades, then turn around and expect people to trust their lives in their planes.

Boeing isn’t better, by any means. Nationalize them and imprison the CEOs

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Were you hibernating in the last 25 years?

[–] applepie@kbin.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Prolly a boomer... They are stil see the world as if it is 1990s lol

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago

Does working 14 hour days count as hibernation?

[–] kingcake@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

100 planes isn't a whole lot for the Chinese domestic market. And they won't mind that the planes are made in China at all.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

imprison the CEOs

a broken clock is right once a day