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The Court upheld many restrictions on the White House and Surgeon General’s office’s contacts with tech companies, finding that they ‘coerced’ platforms’ content decisions

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[–] TwilightVulpine@kbin.social 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Guilty for advocating for public health concerns during a pandemic? What sort of insane land has become the US

[–] MasterBuilder@lemmy.one 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One where Republicans block all Democrat court appointments, then push through their candidates at high speed when Republicans are in control.

What I can't figure out is why the Democrats can't use similar tactics successfully. This is how we got a Republican Supreme Court.

Somehow they were able to stonewall Obama's nominees for over a year, then pushed through conservative appointees fast enough to give us whiplash - legal problems be damned.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

What I can’t figure out is why the Democrats can’t use similar tactics successfully.

"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles."

[–] missveeronica@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So you're okay with it being fine for a White House administration telling tech companies what they can and can't allow? If so, then just wait until.the next Republican gets into the White House. You may not like this because it's against Bidens White House, but this ruling will prevent Trump from doing it as well...if he somehow got back into office....which won't happen, but still. It's a precedent.

[–] TwilightVulpine@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Since I know myself as a person, Public Service Announcements and accontability on public media are complelely normal. It's only since the rise of internet media that has been created this attitude that tech companies can't be expected to have any responsibilties.

So, there can't be regulations and public interests because the people opposing these things when they are needed could misuse them? It doesn't seem like the problem is that, but just Republicans being consistently shitty and unhinged both ways. It's not like they need precedent to be terrible anyway, they make and break whatever precedents that might suit them.

Demanding that media cuts off health misinformation during a major health crisis is exactly the sort of thing that a government should do.

[–] pkulak@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

Is that what happened? Or did the White House point out Tweets that violated Twitter’s ToS, like any citizen or corporation could do.

[–] MasterBuilder@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

We both know it won't prevent them. They will just repackage their arguments to get the result they desire. For example, the supreme court appointments arguments.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 year ago

To be fair the 5th circuit aren't judges they're Republican political operatives

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The judges wrote that the FBI’s activities were “not limited to purely foreign threats," citing instances where the law enforcement agency “targeted” posts that originated inside the United States, including some that stated incorrect poll hours or mail-in voting procedures.

What does foreign threats have to do with this. The FBI deals with domestic terrorists. Does this not fall within the FBI's jurisdiction as well?

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A foreign actor's speach isn't constitutionally protected; that's the relevance.

[–] MasterBuilder@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Free speech does not include subversion of the constitutional right to vote or seditious speech. The judges are clearly partisans. I'll wager they are Republican appointees.

[–] N0_Varak@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow its good this article isn't talking about speech like that

[–] MasterBuilder@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Lying about voting locations and dates aren't subverting the constitution? Really? So we only have the constitutional right to vote if we can figure out the real times and locations on our own, and giving false information that causes people to be unable to Vote is all just lulz?

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem seems to be that the constitution does not say what free speech is and now everyone thinks they are experts on it.

'Coercing' someone to not spread lies and half truths is exactly their job. These judges seem to be either incompetent or crooked. Possibly both.

[–] sik0fewl@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I believe it does say what Congress is, though, so it should be pretty obvious that the first amendment does not apply to the executive.

[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Had they not influenced the propagation of insane bullshit, how many more Republicans would be dead right now?

[–] agentsquirrel@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised this isn't studied and reported on much now, or at least I haven't seen it. Trump and the Republicans indirectly killed some non-zero number of Americans with misinformation and the general politicization of the pandemic. If we ever experience another pandemic with a virus that is as deadly as ebola but with a longer period of time before symptoms are evident, Republicans are going to kill many more people.