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[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 74 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow the sheer lack of self-recognition in this guy... Dude, you ARE the Nazi that you pretend to be fighting against. It doesn't matter if you're American or Russian, you 'proud boys' are all the same.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Thank God the Ukrainian military isn’t notoriously packed with Nazis! Because Biden has already given $75 billion to these people, and what do you call someone who gives money to Nazis?

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[–] The_Mixer_Dude@lemmus.org 32 points 1 year ago (32 children)
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[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

How long until people start unironically and uncritically reposting from the Azov telegram channels?

[–] SeborrheicDermatitis@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bad source for sure though there is ample evidence (you can watch videos of it) of quite large-scale execution and torture of PoWs among Russian and Wagner troops. It has happened on both sides but certainly far more on the Russian side...

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

but certainly far more on the Russian side...

Can you give a credible source to this claim?

[–] SeborrheicDermatitis@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There has been no quantitative data released but based on solid reporting in re-taken areas e.g., Bucha it is evident that there were large-scale arbitrary executions.

By contrast, Russian media has presented little evidence of large-scale executions. There have been individual cases but there is no evidence to suggest it is as systemic.

While you are right to critique my claim, which I should not have made with such certainty perhaps, one can collate the available evidence and make a claim with reasonable-albeit not total-confidence. If Russia did have evidence of large-scale execution of PoWs, they'd obviously put it in their own friendly media outlets + it would be in Russian Telegrams.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How much Russian do you speak?

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[–] NoYouLogOff@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't Bucha the place that had pictures of bodies with the white armbands (Russian collaborators in occupied territories) and Russian ration packs in the background and everyone was like "Russia did this!"

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Yep, the massacre was probably from Ukraine's side

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[–] i18nde@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Yes, American soldiers would never do such things. They are distributing bananas and chocolate during war times to POW, have a lot of occasions to do so during the last decades.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Side note: The American army unofficially encourages their combat arms branch soldiers to shoot wounded combatants during combat and to double-tap the wounded and the dead while assaulting through killzones so they don't have to worry about 'bullshit rules' relating to capturing POWs including 'bullshit' things such as delivering life-saving first aid or the "hassle" of transporting them to a location to properly process them as POWs under the international rules of war.

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He also says his comrades once took captive a Polish soldier, forced him to stand on his knees, and killed him by shooting him in the head.

Sounds like a foreign mercenary to which the laws of war relating to prisoners of war don't apply.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

the guy who killed him is also a mercenary. and poles live in ukraine, there are lawful combatants from the polish citizens of ukraine.

e: the article says "volunteer" but that still seems like something that would need a trial to determine whether they lacked protections before a summary execution. that should apply to any participants from neighboring countries' ethnicities

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

The article also says this guy was recruited from prison, something Wagner's been doing from the start. AFAIK this is an actual "both sides" thing, and I'm sure that both Ukraine and Russia are guilty of more than we currently know as a result of this practice.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The definition of mercenary for POW purposes requires that the mercenary not be from the country which the armed forces are from. Russian guy fighting for Russian military via PMC is not a mercenary. Polish guy fighting for Ukranian military via PMC could be.

You're right in that a trial should be conducted but given that there's plenty of Ukrainians uploading videos of them torturing Russian POWs, I think we're well past that point.

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[–] mustardman@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bad take. Killing prisoners is unacceptable if it isn't in crisis or revolution.

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[–] pleasemakesense@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When are you guys going to abandon this tankie infested shit hole of a world news sub and go to another one?

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