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The main problem is that Win11 can only run in special hardware and Microsoft can pry out my potato computer from my cold, dead hands. I won't change my hardware to update my OS.
Do it the other way, change your OS! Embrace the pinguin!
I'm considering it, I'll have to use Autocad on the web and skyciv if I have to.
A few of my friends really like FreeCAD. I'm not good enough to know if it's a suitable replacement though. I just practice on it for 3d printing use.
Man, it's a toss up for me as to which I hate more: Microsoft threatening and badgering me toward W11 (and by extension, a new computer) or Linux fanboys evangelizing for their preferred system.
Both are complete non-starters for me. I'm not buying a new machine while my current one does everything I need just fine... And after a few years of using Linux on my laptop back in college, I have no desire to set foot in that environment again either.
i know right? they act like it's such a trivial transition.
The transition is much easier than it was 10 or even 5 years ago, that's probably a big part of it
Not evangelizing in any way, but it is worth a try. If "back in college" was 10 years ago, I could hardly agree more that it was pain all around, but it is so much easier nowadays that even I without any advanced knowledge in Linux I could setup one of the harder distress (Arch) without any pain at all (thanks Archinstall).
Yes it was longer than that.
My main thing is that, then and now (based on discussions I read between users), most any user experience that I relate to seems to be equal parts:
"try to figure out the Linux equivalent of what you were doing in Windows and hope it's compatible with the rest of your needs"
"Try to figure out how to get Linux to behave like Windows to accomplish something you did with that os"
"Become a hobbyist...programmer? IT specialist? And get familiar with tweaking and adjusting the details of how your computer works just to get it to do things you want"
Like...for people who enjoy it, I'm happy for them. Really! But I don't want to have to familiarize myself with commands, learn how to boot things up, or learn a whole list of things just to get the simple mindless functionality I have with Windows from decades of time in the system.
I think back then I tried Debian, Ubuntu, and...is 'OpenSUSE' a thing? I even had a group of three friends who were all super into Linux encouraging me and helping me every step of the way, and I was young and technically inclined and happy to have a challenge...and in the end, I went right back to Windows after a semester or two of that, because I just found that my experience was, broadly speaking, "Enjoy a problem solving exercise in software management every time you want to do something, just to get to a basic level of function, with added quirks that you'll just have to deal with...and little real benefit for the order of magnitude of extra effort".
And while I'm sure some of that would have had to get better in the years between, most of the conversations I still see about Linux are enthusiasts enjoying coming up with solutions to the issues of using their chosen system. Which again, that's fine, but I don't want to have to become an enthusiast of an OS.
Given a choice between, "have to learn how to get the OS to do everything" vs "put up with data collection and some intrusive ads once in a while"... I'm happy to go with the latter to have things just work without having to learn a new skill set just to get the same level of functionality.
I'm happy to use W10 well after its official support ends, though I strongly suspect there will be significant extensions to that timeline. Even then, I'm happy to use it until it's no longer the path of least resistance, at which point, I'll reevaluate my options. When we get there, if it seems reasonable, maybe I'll dip my toes into the Linux pool again.
Understandable, from a software engineer's view, I get it.
IMO the biggest challenge is to fundamentally change how one thinks about given system. The goal is not to want to get it to behave like windows. But I understand it is hard for someone who used windows his whole life (I've been like that aswell). LibreOffice will never look like Office, downloading new software is not gonna be just running an .exe installer, and system settings will sometimes not be just "click here and it does what you want".
Not trying to convince you (or anyone), but just my two cents.
Windows 'just works'? What about all the programs crashes that you need to go through endless YouTube tutorials to fix? What about having to fill up a form and register your credit card for every closed source program you need to install? I don't think Windows 'just works'.
Not to mention all the "freeware" that doesn't do what it is supposed to do. Like if you want a background removal from your webcam.
I've literally never had either of these experiences with W10.
At least not in the past 5+ years.
Special hardware meaning a TPM chip to encrypt your data? Why would they force you to use 10 year old tech, way too new!
Remember they aren't forcing you to update, they just are telling you they won't support your old-ass shit :)
I built my computer new 7 years ago, and it doesn't support windows 11. Still works like a charm, at least for my use case. There's no reason for me to spend the 1000 to update it. Easier to move to linux when windows 10 hits EOL.
Microsoft has gotten way too comfortable with having no real OS competition... I think maybe after this they might actually feel the hit as Linux has gotten so easy to install/use (in some cases, like updates, easier than Windows), is so stable, and works with most games.
People are noticing and giving it a shot since they have nothing to lose.
Linux being easy to install was a weird target to begin with. If it were good, framework could easily find popularity. The issue with Linux is less the install than the upkeep and the jank package ecosystem. For every official package it feels like theres a bootleg build uploaded through gitlab ci by user luvgunz6969. Even something as basic as syncthing seems to have 5 different ways to install and run it. Firefox is insecure on Linux. Thunderbird doesn't have a fucking tray icon. Installing specific drivers breaks secureboot. It's a fucking minefield.
I don't know about it being stable. I've run python scripts that opens lots of images before, and my OS (Linux Mint) let's it empty my memory and freeze my computer, it isn't even a sudo command - that isn't stable behavior to me.
Sounds like user error.
But no really, I recently switched to Bazzite, which is immutable and atomic, and it is 1000% more stable than Windows.
It doesn't hurt to kill processes that will freeze the computer.
Definitely. Is the implication that you can't easily do this in Linux?
I assume you mean a desktop without a tpm chip but with a tpm header and from the Intel lines where they didn't bother to include the soft tpm as part of the design? I had such a PC, roughly the same time frame as yours.
My phone is faster. Less RAM, but faster processor.
7 years is a long time in tech.