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The Biden administration has announced a proposal to “strengthen its Lead and Copper Rule that would require water systems to replace lead service lines within 10 years,” the White House said in a statement on Thursday.

According to the White House, more than 9.2 million American households connect to water through lead pipes and lead service lines and, due to “decades of inequitable infrastructure development and underinvestment,” many Americans are at risk of lead exposure.

“There is no safe level of exposure to lead, particularly for children, and eliminating lead exposure from the air, water, and homes is a crucial component of the Biden-Harris Administration’s historic commitment to advancing environmental justice,” the Biden administration said.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 151 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Can't wait for the GOP to sabotage this so they can oWn ThE LiBs: "Lead free pipes are for socialists!"

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 60 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

I've long wondered if lead exposure accounts for their behaviors over the past couple decades. Lead that accumulates in the bones over one's lifetime leaches out into the bloodstream when one becomes elderly, like calcium does with osteoporosis. Cognitive issues and rage are associated with lead exposure.

[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 43 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 11 points 7 months ago

I love when people who grew up in the 70s tell me the world is so much less safe today.

[–] akaxaka@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why replace lead pipes at huge costs when you can just shoot criminals?

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It turns out that more lead was the answer all along

[–] vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Think about how many bullets those old pipes can be turned into! This project would practically pay for itself with the cost of ammunition these days.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I've long wondered if lead exposure accounts for their behaviors over the past couple decades.

That's exactly what has happened.

Imagine, if you will, a country that has a lot of land area, which uses personal ground transport to grt around. Imagine if, for decades, those personal transport machines used large, ineffcient engines that ran on a fuel that caused aerosolized lead to be blown into the atmosphere at a staggering rate?

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do not forget lead paint, pipes and crystal.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Also more recently, people who will cycle 1000 rounds of cheap ammo through sixteen different guns as a hobby and then spread that lead contamination all through their car and home, and they'll do this every week for years.

Shooting as a hobby isn't new, but the volume and frequency people are doing it has definitely gone way up in some parts of the US in the past 30 years.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

I remember watching a grand thumb (gun nut YouTuber) video where he found out about the lead poisoning and started wearing an N95 mask at the range.

He switched to lead free ammo IIRC. His buddies made fun of him.

[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I hadn't thought of that one.

[–] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Imagine, if you will, a three by seven inch wooden frame -- a frame that's a gateway to a world of imagination. Wipe your mind on the welcome mat. You're about to enter...

The Scary Door.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

It turns out it's man.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

That's a tiny door

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure about that, I've had lead poisoning for thirty years and I'm still not stupid enough to support those assholes.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

it's dose dependant, and while your particular neurological effects may be different, in population studies for almost every country where lead has been banned, there is a direct relationship to violent crimes as well. Lead gasoline use goes up, crime rate goes up. Lead gasoline stops, and as the lead is measured to leave the environment, the violent crime goes down.

Intelligence is only one possible thing affected. It's also highly associated with emotional impulsiveness.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Oh I'm sure. I have many of those issues, but then I also did before I was poisoned and treated for it. How much it affected me is hard to say though overall because I've got adhd and have always been impulsive.. My temper has been an issue since I was born, so I have a lot of practice suppressing it.

To me it seems there's a lot more at play including lack of critical thinking skills and not just intelligence when it comes to their support.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How did you find out you had lead poisoning?

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I burned my leg by getting splashed with a bit of molten metal when I was working at a metal foundry when I was around 21 years old. My family doc tending to it ran some tests and next thing I knew I was on medication for it... some kind of horse sized pills that were nearly impossible to keep down.

Late edit: Chelation therapy I guess it's called.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People typically can see a ~3 IQ point deficit with long term lead poisoning.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

I guess thankfully I had a couple to spare :)

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I worry about this a little bit for myself.

I was just shy of twenty years old when leaded gas sales ended in California.

So I definitely grew up with lots of exposure. Hope it doesn't dement me out in my final couple of decades.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

I worked on a community gardening project in the city when I was in grad school. We had an ordinary urban residential lot and wanted to plant a community vegetable garden.

The soil was so incredibly contaminated with lead from 70 years old leaded gasoline that we had to scrape off the top 6 ft of topsoil and send it to a toxic waste dump, and the replace all of that. Then we built raised garden beds to mitigate lead uptake in the plants.

Most cities in the world are still heavily contaminated and lead will never go away.

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

"We don't want any of your leftist 'woke' pipes!"

[–] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

I can already hear my boomer father bitching

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Came here to say this. I look forward to whatever their excuse is to not solve the toxic drinking water problem. And likely immediately spend more on DoD or cut taxes to the rich.

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 7 months ago

Department of Defense

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

That would be infinitely cooler and more useful.

Sadly it’s the department of defense.

[–] Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago

Lead makes Republicans

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's funny, because the hexbears basically have the same "Biden bad" reaction. Almost like there's a weird amount of ideological overlap.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not a hexbear, but the leftist "Biden bad" narrative wouldn't demonize investing in infrastructure, they would call out shit like unconditional support for Israel or failing to meaningfully improve social safety nets via Medicare for All, or other such measures. Biden is a Liberal, at the end of the day, and that's not going to please any leftist except by not being a fascist.

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 points 7 months ago

Never underestimate the effects of extremism on rational conclusions