The nice thing about syncing services like Vaultwarden is that all your synced devices kind of act like backups. You should still keep proper backups too, of course, but this makes me sleep a bit better at night at least.
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Yeah, this too... like... I have Bitwarden synced in different computers/phones, so at least most of the passwords will still be somewhere.
I don't trust myself with Vaultwarden honestly. I will just pay for Bitwarden if I need to.
I use vaultwarden as my bitwarden backup. I pay for bitwarden premium because it's too critical of a service for me to not pay for access/support the service, or to expect my self hosted option will be sufficiently reliable enough.
That said, as a backup option, I run the vaultwarden addon in home assistant and just periodically do a manual export from bitwarden and import to vaultwarden. This is usually good enough for me, but glad to see this thread with some other options. Will be exploring some of these too!
Oooh, I like this idea... I've thought about running vaultwarden but like you I pay for bitwarden premium because I think it's critical for me and I like the service and want to see them continue. Using it as a backup, then I can still support them and run my own backup.
I regularly hear it's great. Has anyone moved from KeePass? I haven't read anything that makes me think I should move on from KeePass. I have maybe ~4-5 clients and merging databases has been very easy since no client is offline for too long.
I went from KeePass to pass to vaultwarden. Sharing passwords is way easier.
I like to connect an external drive and make backups on it. If your Vaultwarden die, unless your devices are de-authorised (or try to update the URL), you can access the vault and export the data.
FIY even when deauthorized all passwords previously synced are still available but prevents syncing without fully logging in.
You may have just inspired me to do the same lol, I'm self hosting most of my other things.... For some reason, keeping my own data safe with bitwarden is kinda freaking me out too lol
TOTP function is what really made it happen. It brings me so much joy to have one, self hosted service to do everything login related compared to using Authy too. I was way too invested in Authy which was never comfortable for me. I now found peace.
Is having your passwords and TOTP in one place recommended? I would’ve thought that having both separate would be more secure.
It still defends against one failure mode (the website gets hacked but you're ok) but yeah, obviously if you get hacked and the hacker knows how to get your vault out then you're 100% screwed.
My suggestion is always hardware 2FA, even though it's not as mature as the other systems. Personally I have two Yubikeys (in case one breaks/gets lost) but it does mean that I need to add TOTPs to both of them each time I add a new 2FA.
I'm fairly certain hardware based 2fa has been around since the early 90s maybe even earlier. It's not the maturity that's the issue, as I'm fairly certain its significantly older than application based, but that it's extremely inconvenient for the user to have to buy a physical key and keep it safe
how are you doing your backups now? are you using the 3-2-1 backup strategy?
Not really, no. I have an HDD and an SSD both in a same machine. Data in SSD gets copied to HDD everyday. I don't have any remote backup yet. How do you do your remote backup?
encrypted Rsync to a free Backblaze account. be sure to test your backups tho
I tried Vault warden, but I didn't find it better than KeePass which I have syncing over nextcloud to storage that is mounted over NFS for my desktop and laptop. There are plenty of clients so you can use windows, linux, android etc.
I ran Keepass synced through my Nextcloud for a long time as well, but I switched to Vaultwarden after loosing Passwords due to sync issues. Almost got locked out of an important account. Luckily I noticed it early enough to recover it through my Nextcloud's versioning. But since then I'm too paranoid to rely on a password manager without a reliable syncing mechanism built-in if I'm gonna use it daily on a range of different devices.
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