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Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College (nymag.com)
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[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

How long before Respondus introduces an education equivalent of BattlEye or other kernel-level anticheats as a result of stuff like this?

And I don't mean the Lockdown browser, I mean something beyond that, so as to block local AI Implementations in addition to web-based ones.

Also, I'm pretty sure there's still plenty of fields that are more hands-on and either really hard or impossible to AI-cheat your way through. For example, if you're going for carpentry at the local vo-tech, good luck AI-cheating your way through that when that's a very hands-on subject by its nature.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Or, ya'know, they could just have students take tests on paper in a lecture hall.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Doesn't even need to be paper. Have locked-down, internet-disconnected computers in the exam hall bas glorified typewriters.

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Why not a middle ground? Have them only access a local network version of Wikipedia + a verified library to search

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Back when I was in grade school in the mid 1990’s, we were one of the first families to have a computer. We weren’t allowed to ANY schoolwork on it. If you had to write a paper, it had to be written by hand. Which, as someone who could type much faster and used bigger words, was REALLY fucking annoying.

But yeah, I imagine we need to go back to dumb, disconnected computers in exam halls to keep things above board. It’s depressing to see how lazy this tech makes students.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

Exactly, that's how it works in my country. I think the PCs are connected to a local server that then matches the results to your id and email.

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[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Or even actually show what they learned in a practical sense. In a vo-tech, for example, have the students fix up a car or get a small LAN set up, or even in the case of an art school, have the class do a mural or a sidewalk-scale mosaic outside as their end-of-instruction project (both of those sound like really fun end-of-instruction projects, btw), with admin approval, of course.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Academia isn’t really that practical

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Vo-techs at least kinda have to be based on the types of things they tend to teach, you can't really teach things like masonry out of a book, for example, that's one subject where you actually need to go in and get your hands dirty as it were, and actually do the thing being taught, to learn it, or really anything else having to do with building a house.

I could very much argue that this also applies to art school as well, but there's also a lot of theory and history and such that very much needs a lot of reading to pick up, although things like color theory are best picked up by actually mixing different paint colors together, as well as the practical side of things in terms of actually doing a painting or drawing or sculpture or whatever.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You don’t really go to college for masonry though

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 1 points 5 days ago

Not in the traditional sense anyways.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I like this idea, but I also think that we should keep in mind that the time of university staff is expensive, and with the already outlandish cost of education we need to strike a balance

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

That’s what we used to do, 15 years ago though

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[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

tools like that were going big in the pandemic for online exams. Basically rootkits that fully compromise your machine

[–] aaron@infosec.pub 1 points 5 days ago

I have a degree, and was a lecturer. Assuming I didn't want to be a public figure who might get found out in the future, or I didn't need a specific education for obvious professions - medicine/engineering or whatever, I would just lie and say I had a degree. Here in the UK no one checks. I only need to learn prompt engineering anyway. What's the point? I don't think it is worth the lesser UK cost is it?

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

i can this for essay writing, prior to AI people would use prompts and templates of the same exact subject and work from there. and we hear the ODD situation where someone hired another person to do all the writing for them all the way to grad school( this is just as bad as chatgpt) you will get caught in grad school or during your job interview.

might be different for specific questions in stem where the answer is more abstract,

[–] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 1 points 5 days ago

God this is so depressing. Remember when people were actually INTERESTED in things and learned because they were curious and stimulated. Fuck all of these little corporate know nothings and their cheat-machine. If I were teaching these classes, I'd be standing these kids up in front of the class and asking them probing questions about the essay topics they wrote about and grading them purely on demonstrated knowledge.

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