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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Tankies will see this and literally go "Hell yeah"

Hell yeah!

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Sooner than later I hope. The genocide in Gaza proves the liberal international order isn't working and needs to go away.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The problem is that previous collapses of globalism have generally been followed by a period of destructive wars.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago

Not to mention starvation and supply chain collapses

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It won't be replaced with something better.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago

This is one case where better the devil you don't know.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because said neoliberal order has soent the past 40 years crushing any criticism from the left and sowing the seeds for fascism. Corporations aren't going to give up all the power they have accumulated without a fight

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fascism is a reactionary response to the decay of Capitalism, yes, but Socialism is the natural evolution beyond Capitalism. The left can and will win against the fascists.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's the hope, but the liberals will crown the fascists rather than concede anything to the socialists. I'm not expecting any large socialist movement here in the US, and fully expect a fascist purging of all their "undesirables".

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

The US will not have a large leftist movement until the global south pushes back and lifestyles in the US are no longer inflated by extreme global exploitation. If the global south revolts, as they seem to be over time, the opportunity will come and what has been minor quantitative shifts will result in a qualitative change in the US.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Show me the collapse of a large governmental structure that wound up with a better replacement. France is on their fifth republic since the revolution. The liberal order is collapsing into authoritarianism and conflict. That will continue for some time I'm guessing.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

French Revolution, Haitian Revolution, Russian Revolution, Cuban Revolution, Chinese Revolution, American Revolution, etc.

Typically Revolutions happen because existing conditions were abysmal, they don't happen randomly or for no reason. Even if what takes the place of the previous state is flawed or highly flawed, what replaces it is usually better to much better, assuming it collapsed via revolution and not external conflict or internal collapse.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago

A worrying number of triggers could set off a descent into anarchy

sicko-wistful

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago