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submitted 7 months ago by robalees@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Inspired by "What's a good piece of hardware to run a jellyfin server?" I wanted to get the communities thoughts on how to set up my home media server.

Current hardware: Apple Mac mini "Core i7" 2.3 (Late 2012) with 8GB RAM (2x4GB) and 1.0TB Mercury Electra 6G SSD that I upgraded

OS: OMV6 (6.9.14-1 (Shaitan))

Docker containers:

Portainer
Plex
Transmission VPN (Haugene using IVPN)
Autoheal
Watchtower

Goal:

Use this old Mac Mini for as long as possible as a media server. Be able to download with Transmission over VPN and then add them to a Plex media folder via SMB on my Mac Studio. I want to manage the containers in Portainer and I've used Stacks/Compose to add most of the containers. Use the discrete GPU for hardware accelerated transcoding, mostly so I can download movies to my iPad quicker, less so other people can use it remotely. The containers should restart if they stop and I want to keep them updated automatically if possible. I've not experimented with Servarr yet (Radarr, Sonarr), not opposed, but also happy to drag them over.

Problems:

I don't love OMV, I seem to have a recurring DNS issue with containerd that causes Plex to stop whenever I'm watching a movie. I can run a test and leave something playing all day and not have a problem, then whenever I want to watch something with my wife, the whole system becomes unavailable and I have to watch a ping until it comes back. I'm considering a new OS, it should be accessible via VNC/SSH and have my internal and external drive shared as a SMB share to my Mac. I can't figure out how to get the GPU to be seen by OMV so everything is on the CPU, an OS where this is easier is preferred.

Questions:

Any OS recommendations to use instead of OMV6?
Advice on getting the discrete GPU seen in whatever OS I use?
I can't tell if it's Haugene causing the DNS issue, I'm using public Google/CloudFlare DNS to avoid using my PiHole that runs on a Pi3b. Can I set up Docker to use a different network so it doesn't bring my whole system's IP down? It might also be Watchtower updating a container and bring it down, any advice to troubleshoot would be appreciated.

Disclaimer:

IT guy, but mostly Mac. I can Google my way through most things, but I am NOT a Linux or Docker expert. So please go easy on me if I have any follow up questions!

Thank you in advance!

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[+] CurbsTickle@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The 2012 Mac mini didn’t have a discrete GPU iirc, just the built in HD 4000

I just looked it up - your memory is correct. Only the 2011 models had a discrete GPU (and only on certain models).

But the HD 4000 is still a GPU and it will be faster than the CPU at certain tasks such as video processing in Plex (I'm guessing that's what OP cares about?)

[–] CurbsTickle@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[–] robalees@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You are right, no discrete, I was confusing it with an older MBP ("Core i7" 2.8 15" Early 2013) I have. I might have a look at Proxmox, I like the idea of being able to segment the networks a little easier in a VM. I might need to go back to the Haugene documentation, I think they suggest public DNS, but I can try IVPNs DNS. Honestly does it make more sense to buy a NAS (Synology) and run Docker/Plex off that? If I drop the $ on some nice drives and RAM, would that be easier to manage and perform better? I’d like to not worry with 4K content on my home Apple TV and be able to have some people remotely connect if they wanted. Also tempted to use the Mac Mini for VPN/Transmission, then setup a cron rsync to my Mac Studio and use that for Plex.

[–] CurbsTickle@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] robalees@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

This is incredibly helpful CurbsTickle!

Sorry this is probably a super dumb DNS questions, should I be setting my OMV DNS to the IVPN DNS or just my Transmission/OVPN Docker stack? I tried using the OpenVPN DNS here and it doesn't connect when set in the stack, OMV or both. I also have PiHole on a Pi (maybe I can move that to Proxmox and use 1 system?), which is why I was using the Google Public DNS in OMV and the Haugene stack which seemed to work, apart from the weird issue I'm seeing randomly.

Honestly, I might scrap this configuration and put the time into getting Proxmox setup on this machine, try to get it in a good working order and then look at a tiny/mini/micro for later down the line. I've started watching more Anime and honestly the subtitle transcoding worries me a bit!

Any personal preferences or suggestions on hardware outside of the beelink s12pro which I'm checking out? I'm also hoping to cannibalize the SSD which isn't that old, the RAM might be useless at this point.

Also any guides/tutorials you can suggest for getting a working Proxmox setup running similar to yours?

[–] CurbsTickle@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] robalees@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hey CurbsTickle

Thank you so much for the tips, with a mix of googling, bit of GPT4 and straight smashing my head against the desk, I've gotten Proxmox installed on the Mac Mini and ordered 16GB of RAM (figured it's worth the $40). Fought a serious battle trying to get to the startup manager with my mechanical keyboard and Dell monitor, eventually got it to boot from the thumb drive and install. I've got an LXC setup with Debian 12 and installed Plex, even managed to get my existing Plex Media folder from my external drive mounted in the container!

Next steps are the IVPN Wireguard killswitch VPN LXC and Transmission LXC, based on the quick reading I've done, it looks like iptables rules is the way to go. I'll more than likely be writing a big post in selfhosted lemmy soon asking if anyone has achieved this already and has the steps. I might look at the *arrs but that is a later project, I am fine with searching, downloading and renaming/moving the files when I want to watch something. We don't have regular shows we download right now.

Final questions before I head into the deep dark world of home server communities.

Doing the Plex setup quickly, I gave it 1 core and 1GB of RAM, gonna guess this isn't enough, if I'm doing Direct Play and transcode for subtitles, how much RAM and how many Cores would you throw at it with my system?
Can this be updated or do I need to create a whole new lxc container if I want to add more cores/ram to it?
For my HD 4000, is it of any use to me with Plex, or is it already being utilized due to it being integrated?
Can I setup a SMB share from the mounted disk in Proxmox? I created a mount point in Proxmox and then edited the containers config file so it mounted in the container.
Any final tips on MUST DO setup on the Proxmox side? Happy to nuke a container and recreate it if need be, but I'd like to make sure the Proxmox side of the house is in a good place from day 1!

Thanks again

[–] CurbsTickle@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] robalees@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for answering my questions, I spent some time over the weekend performing testing. Sadly I suspect all my problems stem from my NIC failing. The loss of IP that I was seeing in OMV is still happening in Proxmox. Now trying to decide next steps, I can either keep throwing money at it and get an external Ethernet solution with compatible drivers or finally put this Mini to rest. I’ll probably make a post on the selfhosting community and see if anyone has any recommendations for hardware. Little peeved I bought the RAM and have this SSD with nowhere to make use of them. Maybe I can find a suitable machine that can use them, but I’m gonna guess they’ve aged out of the CPUs I’d need for better performance. But I am very happy with the Proxmox, LXC and Debian suggestions.

[–] robalees@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Might be my piHole, but the Beelink site is running like trash!

[–] redfox@infosec.pub 4 points 7 months ago

I'm going to be lame here, but I used to just install it as a package on my media computer. It was old school, but super stable and no complaints.

I'm not familiar with that VPN solution, sorry.

I also just created static DNS entry for the media server. Used app on phone. Didn't have to fuss with it. I like Emby now, but used Plex for a while.

For the media server OS, I use Rocky Linux. But it requires you can do Linux, instead of a simple install with gui.

If that's an Intel Mac, you could look at TrueNAS, but that's got caveats you need to learn.

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Since you're a Mac person, I think you should put MacOS on it. iCloud. Time Machine. AirDrop. Bonjour (zeroconf networking). HomeKit. Etc etc. Those are totally worth having and they are all free except iCloud (which is the the best family photo storage/sync/backup platform and totally worth paying for in my opinion).

For software that needs Linux or just runs better on Linux, use Docker. But you will probably need more RAM, because Docker on a Mac runs a Linux Virtual Machine. You'll essentially be running MacOS and Linux side by side — I personally allocate half my RAM to Docker on my Mac... wether or not 4GB for each OS is enough obviously depends what software you run but it's likely to be cutting it pretty tight).

You can use OpenCore Legacy Patcher to run a modern version of MacOS on old hardware (Apple sets hardware support cut offs based on the minimum specs that hardware was sold in, and your Mac Mini has a faster CPU than the minimum, you've upgraded the storage, and you can upgrade the RAM).

But the biggest reason to go with MacOS is you own a Mac Studio which is far better than your Mac Mini for all the same tasks. One day, you're going to upgrade your main computer and downgrade the Mac Studio to all the tasks your Mac Mini was doing. And booting Linux on the Mac Studio isn't likely to be a good option in the foreseeable future. Linux running inside Docker on a MacOS host though? That works wonderfully. Even with x86 software on an ARM Mac.

I run x86 Linux on my Arm Mac in Docker by the way. It's not as fast as ARM Linux software on the same hardware... but it is way faster than x86 software on 2012 x86 hardware. Which is to say, could be better but totally good enough.

[–] robalees@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I should add, I’ve been paying monthly for Plex for years. Finally got the lifetime membership last year, although I don’t love Plex’s decisions, I feel financially obligated to keep using it for at least a few more years.

[–] redfox@infosec.pub 5 points 7 months ago

If you roll over to the self host community, hosting media servers is about all they talk about :)