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Option 1's incremental improvement to healthcare are negated by capitalism's incremental exploitation of those "improvements." They can fuck shit up faster than politics can fix it.
Option 2 ends in universal healthcare.
We didn’t even try Option 1 this time. It was too boring for most people to go out and vote. And then we had a vocal group decided to withhold votes based on their unbending principles.
I’m not holding my breath for Option 2 given we couldn’t even make Option 1 work. Since we’ve shown we can’t come together for each other, Option 2 is more likely to end in totalitarianism as the powerful react to the violence and/or in societal collapse as every person looks out only for himself.
Let's go ahead and not even pretend that any kind of healthcare reform would have happened during a Dick Cheney approved Harris administration.
I suppose we could pretend both sides are the same instead.
We don't have to pretend lol
We been getting fucked since raygoon
What exactly the fuck do you think four years of Biden was?
last time; not this time
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -- Rita Mae Brown
And then the fucking neolibs wonder why Trump won.
Just because there are other options worth trying, doesn’t mean we should give up on also trying a peaceful option. If we elect better people, it’s not the same thing. If we strike, too, it’s not the same thing. Nonviolent interference is not doing the same thing. We can augment rather than abandon. It’s more complicated, harder, and requires cunning and patience rather than mere brute force. Nothing has a guaranteed result, not even violence—especially with GOP/MAGA in power. All of the tools are more effective when not under Republican rule.
lol. god people are trash. 'suffer for longer because we want to take the HARDER route vs fixing the fucking problem.' enjoy the violence you've mandated; its just a shame everyone else is going to have to suffer with you.
Option 1 was "maintain the status quo". Continue to suck in exactly the same way that we have been sucking for the past 60+ years.
That's called "Democracy".
If it’s not obvious to you that things sucked in distinctly different ways under Democrat and GOP rule, I doubt I’ll be able to convince you. Not to mention, the stark difference this next administration has from anything we’ve seen before.
If you don’t think we’ve ever made progress in this country, or that the Biden administration made only maintained the status quo, I guess that’s fine. You do you. But that’s not the case from what I’ve seen.
I am interested in how democracy is every person looking out for themselves. I can agree that any societal system has to account for self-preservation, but democracy itself is, as far as I understand, a tool to channel individual instincts toward improving things for everyone.
Sure. There are distinct differences between the two.
There are also distinct differences in the different ways things sucked in the 1920s. There are distinct differences in the way things sucked in the 1980s. The distinctions you are talking about are trivial compared to the distinctions across the decades.
Neither Democrats nor Republicans are currently interested in the kind of reforms necessary to address the oligarchs. The difference in suckiness between the two is certainly distinct, but relatively insignificant. We need to tackle the bigger problems; the problems that Harris wasn't capable or even interested in solving. We know we need to tackle those problems, which is why someone unable and/or unwilling to look at them gets a yawn.
Option 2 gives us an optimistic electorate. That "Yay!" is exactly what we need. The most pressing issue we need to address is Reagan's tax policies. So much is resolved when we restore the measures we used to destroy the robber barons.
I agree with most, but not all, of your understanding of our situation. Sounds like you want things to get better. I hope your efforts are successful.