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Well, this doesn't look like a realistic peace plan.
Darn, I guess Russia will just have to keep losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, their last few remaining naval ships, countless war resources, land within their own territory and suffer the consequences of continuing their invasion, like being dealt long range attacks on their territory
They only have about 20-30k dead. Ukraine is like 800,000+
Regardless of death figures that each state puts out consider this. What do both "sides" have to say about which side has air superiority and arms superiority? Now use your brain. Think real hard.
Yeah, both Ukrainians and Russians will continue dying, hundreds of thousands if not millions of people :(
I just hope it will end sooner rather than later, although I don't see a chance of this happening unless somebody assassinates Zelensky or if USA elects Trump and he will keep his wording on ending it.
Very telling that your only assassination recommendation was zelensky and not putin. Followed up by only if trump wins? The only thing trump will do is shut off support to Ukraine because he's putins fucking tool, just like you apparently
Because the last time I checked, it's Zelensky who for the whole duration of the conflict refuses any negotiation, not Putin. It's Zelensky who turned Ukraine into a mass prison. It's Zelensky whose regime kidnaps people on the streets and sends them to die.
That's your opinion and nothing more than that. He promised to end the war by forcing both parties to negotiate. But even if he "shuts off support to Ukraine" - this will be the best thing for Ukrainians that happened in the last 3 years. Without western support, Zelensky won't be able to terrorize Ukrainians anymore.
Turn on English subtitles here and enjoy an ex colonel of AFU (generally an extremely pro-Ukrainian guy btw if you watch his other videos, you can't claim this being a Russian propaganda ;-) ) talking about current anti-Ukrainian Ukrainian government turning Pokrovsk (and actually the rest of the country too) into a concentration camp: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXSB_WnYV0
Why should the president of an invaded country have to negotiate with the invaders? They can leave and then it's all over.
Also it's for you to say only Ukraine is taking people off the street. Putins been throwing prisoners on the front line. He is notorious for locking up any vocal dissenter..... sooooo how are you not including him in this equation?
Are you walking about the org that was known as Wagner? They aren't forced to fight. They do get incentives to fight that's for sure. They defeated the most hardcore nazis, which we openly support (azov batallion) in Bahkmut.
Are you serious? Do you even know why this war is happening? Ukraine, which we couped in 2014, was killing and still is killing ethnic Russians in the 2 independent republics FOR NO REASON. They also continually plot and execute acts of terrorism against Russia on I'd say a minimum, at least one act every two weeks. Their SBU (their version of CIA) was started by OUR CIA. The feds bragged about it on NYT.
To save lives? And land (the sooner the negotiations start the more land there will be left for Ukraine. If the peace deal was signed at the very beginning, none of the land captured after 2022 would be lost)? Obviously Zelensky doesn't care about that, as long as he's pocketing those sweet sweet billions from USA..
But they aren't leaving, are they?
So funny that you mentioned it :) There was so much coverage about Putin doing this, and very little when Zelensky started doing it.
And so is Zelensky. He disbanded every party he didn't like, as a matter of fact he is way more authoritarian dictator than Putin - even if you consider Russia's elections rigged, Zelensky won't hold any elections at all.
Feel free to include him.
It's just mind blowing for me how much Zelensky terrorizes millions of people, and he is still considered a good guy. I guess it's easy to glorify Hitler when you are not the one in Auschwitz.
Said guy who supports Ukrainian concentration camps.. 🤷
It's in the Ukrainian constitution that they do not hold elections while at war. How horrible for Zelensky to follow their constitution.
That's an incredibly stupid argument.
What else are you going to justify with "but it's the law!" argument?
People getting death sentences for rejecting Islam in Saudi Arabia?
People being thrown in jails for being gay in Uganda?
And don't get me started on what was "the law" in Germany less than a century ago..
Yeah, the only bad thing about Zelensky's concentration camps is that it's not written in the law, otherwise it would be all good and fine...
Sure, I will "get my misinformation the F out of here" as soon as you tell me what exactly is misinformation in my comment? :)
Guys, I'm absolutely serious, I'm not joking!
I'd very much like to know if something that I wrote is false! I'd hate being the one who spreads misinformation!
Please, I'm asking you, I'm fucking begging you - just tell me what is it? I'm not only going to delete any misinformation that I might have accidentally posted in this thread, I'm also going to apologize for posting it!
If you know that something I said is misinformation, and you don't disprove it - you are not doing anyone a favour, as now not only people (me included) might believe this misinformation, they might also think that when you accuse someone of misinformation you simply mean that you dislike what they say....
All I want to know is whether you're getting paid for this or it's just a hobby for you.
Oh, also what it'll take for you to go away and never come back.
You see, for you this war is funny tiktok videos of evil ruzkies being droned. For me, this war is regularly talking with my friends and family who are still stuck in the west sponsored prison Ukraine with prison warden Zelensky. And constantly hearing that either somebody they know was killed, or kidnapped by ТЦК. It's not my hobby, I fucking hate politics. But if I persuade at least one person to stop supporting this shit then it's worth it.
The war ending.
Yeah, right. Zelensky won't be able to "terrorize" Ukrainians by resisting an imperialist invasion, and Putin will turn the entire country into a concentration camp run by a Russian stooge, while systematically destroying Ukrainian identity (which is cultural genocide) and strip-mining Ukraine of anything worth stealing.
And when such trustworthy nations as China and Iran, both of whom have been providing weapons to Russia, offer a peace plan, anyone who's not an idiot will know that the plan rewards the aggressor and demands the capitulation of the victim. Just like China's "peaceful" intentions towards Taiwan, and their "peaceful" seizure of territory in the Philippines. And we all know what a force for global peace the mad mullahs in Iran have been, when they're not busy murderously suppressing anti-government demonstrations by their own people.
Then Putin will go on to similarly "liberate" the Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Moldovans, Georgians, and if Trump sufficiently undermines NATO, Poland too.
Oh yeah, because it's Zelensky who is resisting this "imperialist invasion", right? It's him, his family, his friends who are dying in the meatgrinder.
Oh wait, no it is not, he is flying around the world giving speeches about freedom, democracy and all that stuff, all while Ukrainians are imprisoned in the country and kidnapped from the streets and sent to die.
Tell me more about those concentration camps. Tell me about concentration camps in Crimea? Tell me about the ones in Melitopol? Tell me, how Ukrainians who are on liberated territories are forced to stay there, how they are not free to leave at any moment (in contrast to those who are on Ukraine controlled territories)? I would love to know more about it.
Why are you fedposting??? Btw I live in Taiwan and they don't actually want to invade. There's a thing called face and they need to deal with.