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What duration of time do you connect to intellectual property? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 months ago by CraigOhMyEggo@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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It's one thing that copyright/IP is such a matter of debate in the creative world, but a whole new layer is added onto that when people say that it only matters for a certain amount of time. You may have read all those articles a few months ago, the same ones telling us about how Mickey Mouse (technically Steamboat Willy) is now up for grabs 95 years after his creation.

There are those who say "as long as it's popular it shouldn't be pirated", those who say "as long as the creator is around", those who don't apply a set frame, etc. I've even seen people say they wouldn't dare redistribute paleolithic paintings because it was their spark on the world. What philosophy of statutes of limitation make the most sense to you when it comes to creative work?

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[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

People already make memes and mods for free. Humans are a social species and will continue to create and share things until the end of time. Making money off of creation is a privilege for only a tiny few.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

And as I said in my comment, it isn't my customers that want stuff for free, often they want to pay to support me. Those laws stop big multinational corporations from taking my work and selling it on their t-shirts.

We are social creatures, but fuck me, we need to eat and pay rent.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

So you think that because some people chose to make things for free there should be no legal protection for people that want to sell what they make?

The only people who can choose to make things for free are the privilidged few.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I see you make art. What if I said to you, I'd like to give you some money for that art, for maybe a print of it. Not just so that I can own some but because I want to support you.

And then someone just copies your art and gives it to me free. You get no money for it.

Are you genuinely OK with that? Are you saying that everything you make is copyright free?

[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not the person you're asking, but I'd say yes. Don't bother charging for bits, except for something like the bandcamp model, i.e. "yes, i could pirate this but i want to support the creator and it's really easy to do so".

We have better funding models now that we've solved the problem of copying at zero cost. Patreon is a good and popular one, as well as kickstarters. You can't pirate something that doesn't get made, which is the perfect solution. Other art like music also makes money off of things like live performances that can't be digitized.

Note that the one aspect of copyright that I like is attribution requirements. I think it's perfectly fine to hand out information to anyone, as long as you say "here's this cool thing, this is who created it, and this is how you can give them money".

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm telling you this as someone that works in the arts, that's just not true.

You can pirate digital material and repackage it. I see illustrators getting their designs ripped off by large scale clothing manufacturers all the time.

Similarly, I know some acts that have heard their music on adverts and films and haven't been paid. It seems like it is being stolen if you ask me.

There needs to be protection or the creation of art becomes a luxury for those that can afford to not make money from it.

[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I respect that you work in the arts. However, I think too many people worried about copyright think that things would look similar to the way they are today, but the situation would be radically different without copyright. For example, Disney wouldn't exist. You wouldn't have large corporations taking and not giving back, because those large corporations wouldn't exist like they do now in the first place.

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I do not make art, I just post it here on lemmy. I'd be OK with that. People freely create, copy, and iterate on memes, and they are the greatest cultural touchstones we have. First and foremost, people create because they have something to say.

[–] Lemmy_2019@lemmy.one 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure astronauts love their work too, but they still get paid. Artistic endeavours cannot be reserved solely for the idle rich.

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Art isn't work, it's speech. It's part of the human condition. Art is useless, said Wilde. Art is for art’s sake—that is, for beauty’s sake.