in the west "history enthusiast" is simply the common euphemism for wehraboo. ask those people anything but military history (history of literature, architecture, philosophy etc) and they wont know shit. and even in their supposed field of expertise they will rather praise some stupid nazi wunderwaffen than to accept that the fascist menace rightfully lost.

we liberated europe from fascism and they will never forgive us for it.

Marshal Zhukov

[–] OKRainbowKid@feddit.de 11 points 6 months ago (53 children)

They liberated it from fascism, and now they're fighting imperialist wars to bring it back!

Quite ironic, if you ask me.

[+] imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml -28 points 6 months ago (52 children)

america and the west are the fascist empire, as they are the ones who support the banderites in the ukraine, as well as the genocidal occupation of palestine, not to speak of all the neocolonialism in the global south in general. every violence against them is self defense.

[–] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yet another war crime apologist!

See, a war crime is when Americans kill civilians. China and Russia are allowed to kill civilians, that's different.

At least you probably understand why you and your scummy lookalikes can't convince anyone.

[–] erev@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I'm not with the other guy, but America is a neoliberal imperial empire. They have had multiple colonial territories that they've prevented from both independence and statehood, and are involved in the politics, economies, and militaries of countries all over the world where we use our weight to get more favorable terms for ourselves and dictate the course of that nation/state/country's history. We constantly exploit various areas for the resources they provide with indifference to the effect of local people. We are one of the pinnacles of this style of technocratic, neofeudalist, neocolonial, imperial, plutocratic government. I'm not going to comment on fascism but it's not exactly difficult to showcase both contemporaneously and historiographically that the United States has a bit of a fascism issue.

[–] imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

nobody was talking about war crimes, why are westerners so fond of them? also, where tf was china supposedly killing civilians?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

In our Reddit feeds.

[–] ArcoIris@lemmy.zip -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They’re called Uyghurs. You’d know that if you got your news from somewhere besides Hexbear.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And I have news for you. The US’s “Uyghur genocide” disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over.

The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
Uyghur genocide allegations
US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
The blueprint of regime change operations

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

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