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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Are we continuing on the series for Biden's campaign ads?

"You all thought he was supporting genocide but look he is slapping Israel's wrist! There you go, now you can vote for him with a clear conscience"

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not slapping their wrist, it's more like wagging his finger.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

but he sharpens his criticism!

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

True, but at least he isn't the orange orangutan that wants to kill democracy.

It's so fucking depressing when you have these two as the most likely candidates and the only third option is so unknown that most people won't know who they are and even less vote for them.

Hell, even the NYT doesn't show de la Cruz in the running - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/us/politics/presidential-candidates-2024.html

[–] Hoomod@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately the US elections often come down to voting for the person you dislike less.

Do I like his stance on Israel? No

But his opponent (Trump) stance/actions is worse

So I will hold my nose and do my civic duty

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago

Basically.

It felt awful voting for him the first time. Now? Lol. You have to keep perspective that this countrys official stance on Israel from the start has been unwavering support. I think even if we got Bernie in 16 he would have found it hard to do much with this one. Congress would still foot the bill no matter what he did or said. Israel has been a geopolitical oasis for US foreign policy, and say what you will about US foreign policy, but abandoning a long term ally weakens your soft powers exponentially.

And on that note, abstaining from voting or voting for the nuclear cheetoh because US foreign policy is horrific is ensuring we do/enable far, far worse. And if youre counting on a revolution in the age of drones to occur after the public is fed up with trump and lgbtq folks are in cages, i got news for you: we have absolutely none of the systems in place to care for a populace after all the current systems at play would die in this supposed revolution.

God. Its just frustrating. I get it, i hate US neoimperialism too, but did u miss the bit where the other big players have their populace more under their thumbs? Bc at least here u still have a functioning vote. If u dont throw it away, that is.

[–] Crow_Thief@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago

Why do you think trump would be worse on israel? Hes the only president in 50-100 years not to start a war. He got us out of afghanistan. Hes not telling the israelis they have our full throated support. And even more importantly, I cant think of a single way for him personally to get rich off of the israeli genocide, so I can only assume he would have zero interest in prolonging it. Like, honestly, he seems like the least bad option weve had in a long time, because we know exactly how he will behave, and its certainly not as bad as all of the presidents who oversaw mass killings. He will be a buffoon, and he will probably attempt another coup. So what? You think the FBI cant contain a second coup, which they are now expecting? If thats the price we have to pay to get a president who doesnt openly support genocide, im more than willing to pay it.