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Kenneth Smith, 58, is facing execution by an untested method that has never before been used in capital punishment in the US. It’s a technique that has been rejected on ethical grounds by veterinarians for the euthanasia of most animals other than pigs: death by nitrogen gas.

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[–] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And I said they are different procedures. Someone intending to die in a pod is not the same as attempting to force someone to die strapping a mask to their face.

A person in a suicide pod is cooperating with the process not biting and scratching for precious life, potentially causing oxygen to leak into the mask and cause excruciating suffering.

I am not saying it is immoral to kill prisoners so you shouldn't use this method (although I say now it is immoral to kill prisoners and you shouldn't ever do it by this or any other method).

I am saying this method does not work for executions and you can't use it for its intended end.

[–] MrCookieRespect@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The fastest and least painful method for executions would be caliber 50 into the head, it would be the cheapest one as well.

But as said, im against executions in general unless its for corrupt politicians.

[–] sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

A massive overdose on sedatives and opiates would generally work great. American authorities prefer to use painful injections though since they’re sadistic.

[–] bermuda@beehaw.org 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well that and a large majority of medical corporations refuse to provide their drugs for this purpose. That was one of the main reasons the "lethal injection cocktail" kept changing, because companies found out their drugs were in it and took legal action.

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What about drug cartels? They're happy to provide fentanyl overdose amounts to unsuspecting end users, could they provide the same to jails? It's apparently also pretty cheap, and no injections needed.

[–] bermuda@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How bout the state just not kill people

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago

I'd settle for only killing those who wanted to die... but that would make too much sense, or something.

[–] MrCookieRespect@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Pretty shure they wouldn't supply the US government for executions either...

[–] sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The government seizes a fuckton of narcotics constantly. They could test some of them for purity and use that supply.

[–] MrCookieRespect@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

But they are usually stretched with some really bad shit.

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago

As of late, that seems to be fentanyl, which is only bad if your goal is to survive.

That's where the 'test for purity' comes in. I was thinking just pure fentanyl. I'm sure they seize some diverted pharmaceutical products. Or, they could just make their own... if a cartel can do it, a state government could.

[–] survivalmachine@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, the CIA is literally part of the US government and they are a big participant in South American drug cartels. Surely they could organize something.

[–] MrCookieRespect@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But they aren't buying it for executions or officially...

If some prison just takes out a liter of diamorphine from "unknown" source there will be questions... And not just from inside the USA...

LE destroys large quantities of seized drugs regularly.

[–] MrCookieRespect@reddthat.com 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All medical companys refuse to supply the US government for such things, and if they would use the stuff meant for other purposes for this shit they wouldn't get any medication from anyone anymore. Especially not from European companies as they are legally prohibited from supplying stuff for executions.

[–] sanguine_artichoke@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I guess I'd heard of that. What is the objection of American pharma companies? It must be liability vs. ethics as they're totally glad to maim and kill people daily as long as it's profitable.

[–] MrCookieRespect@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago

They don't have the patents for the stuff, European companies hold those parents for the most part... So either don't supply the prisons with the stuff or get the license taken away completely...