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Indigenous icon Buffy Sainte-Marie's identity was brought into question by a CBC investigation, her Piapot family says the accusations are "ignorant, colonial -- and racist."

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As a 100% full blooded Ojibwe-Cree .... this whole thing is messed up.

It doesn't matter what the Piapot family says about the matter ... Wab Kinew did the same thing for Boyden during that controversy

As an indigenous person, the whole message I get out of all this is that ...

  • As Indians, we have to fight to be anything - and most of the time we'll lose
  • As whites, they can be whatever they want as long as they make money

I've spent my entire life surrounded by Native people who could only dream of being white and like the majority of Canada and live without stigma, or shame for who they are ... as a young person, I didn't like the fact I was a brown Indian who was looked down upon and thought that I would never live up to anything

It's completely sickening to watch a privileged white person who had everything going for them to make a decent career and take on the identity of a people that didn't want to be who they were and use that as a shortcut to make millions for herself and everyone that supported her.

She built her career on our misery ... she built her wealth on the image of our poverty ... the Piapot family don't mind the controversy and moral ambiguity because they probably stand to gain a bit of fame and fortune from it all, I'm sure Santamaria has some financial rewards to share with them .... as for the rest of us Indians, we're left with the bitter taste of knowing that white people can still say and do whatever they want to us and get away with it.

It's a pretty sick and disgusting situation. I was feeling good in my life as an Indigenous person until today ... now I feel like I did years ago as a teenager wondering why the hell I should keep identifying as an Indian when it hangs a like a curse for me and a blessing for a white person.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a white person, specifically a white man, all I can tell you is I'm here to listen. I hope as much from everyone else but sadly I doubt this is the case.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lol, you don’t need a qualifier to listen

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It just comes off as you hitting on them

I’m not like other guys, see how understanding I am!

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ultimately, this is about who gets to police Indigenous identity, and regardless of whether the answer to that is "each tribe can decide its own membership" or "some significant number of Indigenous people have to agree", it's obvious that the correct answer is not "the government established established by European colonists decides" or "the news media decides". The people involved need to argue it out. The opinions of those of us who aren't Indigenous or claiming to be really aren't important.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The answer is obviously the government because they are the ones with the resources to do so

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think your average First Nation can scrape together enough bureacracy to keep track of a few thousand members. Most of them aren't huge groups.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But the average First Nation isn’t going to have the resources to enforce that Canada wide

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why does there need to be a single Canada-wide definition? We're not talking about "who gets a government-issued status card" here—people can be unambiguously Indigenous and still not have one of those. We're talking about who can stand up in a public venue and say "I'm Indigenous" without causing a scandal, and who gets to decide that.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We’re talking about who can stand up in a public venue and say “I’m Indigenous” without causing a scandal, and who gets to decide that.

What’s to stop someone from doing that

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that no single individual can control the "scandal" part.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, what’s to stop anyone from claiming ancestry

How can people in Iqaluit monitor those claiming their status in Ontario?

It’s unfair and unreasonable to leave it up to the tribes

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't have to monitor it. They only have to respond to inquiries about people's tribal membership, not proactively anticipate them.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is there an inquiry in that scenario?

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, now you're just being silly. My cat could figure that one out, especially with an example right in front of him.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are being ridiculous if you think most scenarios of people claiming to belong to a tribe far enough away that they aren’t going to run into a member is going to result in an inquiry

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The point is that the claim doesn't matter unless someone cares enough about it to make an inquiry (that is, cares just a tiny amount), or it affects legal matters like status cards (in which case, someone will care enough to enquire). If there's no harm being done, then no enforcement needs to be done either. Which is also so very basic that my cat could figure it out.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just don’t have the status to begin with if anyone can claim it because you think it does no harm

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's like saying you can avoid tripping over a rock if you just will it out of existence. Reality doesn't work that way. And I don't think you really believe it does either. Kindly go troll somewhere else.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

So you see why the obvious answer is the government

[–] Saraphim@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

This whole scandal has blown my Canadian mind more than anything I can remember. She has done an impressive job of bringing attention to First Nations people, and indigenous people in Canada overall, her Piapot family clearly loves and claims her. BUT, she’s also literally a colonizing liar who has benefitted off the struggle of our indigenous people. It turns out she wasn’t an advocate at all but an identity thief. I feel like everything I ever knew was a lie. Next someone’s going to tell me stompin’ Tom kept women chained up in his basement. Frig.

[–] bbbhltz@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The "Notable Examples" section here is much longer than I expected:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretendian

This must be so hurtful to some people, I can't even imagine. The CBC investigation looks thorough. A response like this is just weak.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

On "Day 6" this morning on CBC Radio One they had a Metis Lawyer on who estimates the amount of "Predentians" to be about 25%. That number is huge.

The problem is, as she states in the interview, that there are no winners in this only losers.

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-14-day-6/clip/16019165-metis-lawyer-says-truth-hurts-regarding-buffy-sainte-maries

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Making up rules on the spot is a pretty weird way to handle things like genetic testing. But I've lived on the coast.