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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

EVs are not limited to personal vehicles though. I absolutely agree on developing mass transit, be it rail or other, and preventing urban sprawl.

But cars (personal vehicles) and other vehicles will always exist (at least for the foreseeable future) and people will still need to haul stuff (garbage collection, artisans, deliveries, movers etc..).

I'd take an electric garbage collection truck over a ICE one for instance. It's anecdotal but there are roadworks in my neighborhood, and most of the machinery is electric which is very nice. Electric mopeds/motorcycles are also much quieter than ICE ones. You could also electrify buses, airport equipment, port equipment, trains (the diesel ones), mining equipment, etc.

So no, EVs are not the solution but a solution, and their development is a good thing if we want to move away from fossil fuels.

Edit: corrected thermic with ICE

[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Yeah ok that’s fair, even in a transformed world there is still a need for some cars you’re right.

My point was more that a world in which we simply exchange fords for Tesla’s is still a fucked world but you make a fair counter point.

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I find it helpful to remember "Perfection is the enemy of Progress."

[–] sysgen@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Investing trillions of dollars into dead ends is, however, the enemy of progress. The ressources we're throwing at replacing existing cars with EV cars would be enough to implement better solutions.

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No technology is a dead end, you can't run trains 30 miles out of town for 6 families already over 500 acres. Just because a technology doesn't benefit urbanization doesn't make it worthless.

[–] sysgen@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

I'm not opposing the research, I'm opposing the implementation. Spending trillions of dollars because >1% of the population would be inconvenienced as you showed by having to use less developed or more expensive alternative is stupid.

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