Joncash2

It's a hot take because while you are right, it's something that all countries do. It's just not necessarily the government that does it. Just look at the culture wars in the US. China's biggest difference is it's controlled by the government. But it also has nothing to do with Xinjiang. They do it to everyone, Hans Chinese inclusive. Technically that's what the great leap forward was. First forcing the Hans Chinese people to assimilate to the government's idea of a unified country. It worked, so they're pushing it everywhere.

Also, it's important to note that the only violent enforcement of this was on the Hans Chinese. This was Tian an men. After that they've gotten really good at subversion. There was only one suspicious killing in the HK riots for example. For as large a protest as it was, it was largely nonviolent. Compare that with BLM in the States.

The truth is it's all propaganda from both sides and no one actually knows what's going on. And because I'm saying this anywhere I'm probably going to be downvoted to oblivion as either side will downvote me. However, what we do know is:

• China has admitted there are training camps in the Xinjiang Area.
• The training camps are mandatory and people have been forced to go there.
• The graduates have been spread all over China gaining employment in pretty much every factory in China (This imho is because it makes things impossible to sanction)
• The people are compensated for their time in the training camps (This is what makes them forced labor camps in theory)
• It is a cultural thing where guests in Xinjiang are invited to sleep in the same bed. This has lead to many stories of Chinese people forcing themselves into the bedrooms of Xinjiang people.

What we are sure isn't quite right:

• They are not genociding the people in the camps. This is why the conversation has turned to "cultural genocide" whatever that means. I believe this is propaganda to reinforce that they could be genocide when there is no evidence.
• There is a lot of fake evidence for the genocide. For example the prison camp image or the truck that is censored but has red liquid leaking out of it were all doctored. Just this alone has to make you question the truth of those claiming genocide.
• The "leaked list" of prisoners is fake. It contains HK movie stars and actors.

What we could probably conclude:

• I'd argue that there is forced labor occurring as they are literally being forced into training camps and getting paid for it.
• There is no forced labor in the factories USA is claiming there is. After graduating, the students are welcome to move and work where they want, so this can't be forced labor.

Final questions:

• What happens to those who won't participate in the forced training camps? We don't know, and that's ultimately where the disconnect and miscommunication is coming from. The west is claiming they're being killed. China isn't saying anything but then are at a minimum keeping them locked up indefinitely. So, in the end, it's a bad situation for sure but it's likely not as bad as the western propaganda makes it look.

Actually it exactly resembles stagflation. It's one of the reasons I said underemployment and not unemployment. During the 90s, Japan's inflation rate was around 3% and they couldn't get it under 2%. Sound familiar?

https://www.in2013dollars.com/japan/inflation/1990#:~:text=The%20yen%20had%20an%20average%20inflation%20rate%20of,82.953%25%20of%20what%20it%20could%20buy%20back%20then.

The other part was low unemployment, but mostly government jobs that didn't do anything. But it did create historically low unemployment and higher than average labor force participation.

https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/14332/#:~:text=The%20%E2%80%98lost%20decade%E2%80%99%20in%20Japan%20was%20a%20period,when%20it%20reached%20a%20historical%20maximum%20of%205.5%25.

What you are seeing is USA doing exactly what Japan did in the 90s, which is have a target inflation rate of 2% that they can't reach and hiding the high unemployment numbers with underemployment in crappy jobs.

Edit: just look at this rocketing government employment.

https://usafacts.org/reports/2021/government-10-k/part-i/item-1-purpose-and-function-of-our-government-general/employees/#:~:text=As%20of%20the%20dates%20shown%20below%2C%20there%20were,local%20government%20employees%2C%20of%20whom%2023%25%20work%20part-time.

More than doubled in a decade.

It's not a bubble, it's much much worse. You only hear of it in whispers among the financial world. It's stagflation. Japan seen this story before, they call it their lost decade that has been going on for nearly half a century. It's when you deficit spend like crazy to prop up the economy and that leads to high inflation and stubbornly high costs (IE: Housing). It's coupled with basically no wage growth and high underemployment. Does any of this sound familiar? It buried Japan, it might bury USA.

Oh my god, machine learning is not AI. It's a subset of AI. Do you not understand intelligence? It's not just the learning aspect. Yes, you need to learn to be intelligent, but you also need to generate. I'm giving you a hint to the other subset of AI that you don't seem to know about.

This is the poorest understanding of AI I have ever read. The whole point of AI is that it can create things that it's original creator would not have. The whole fear of AI is even though it's created by humans we question if we can control it. And that fear is what leads people to talk about how it's mysteriously deciding to do things that could be unethical.

So, learn how AI works before opening your mouth.

*Edit. Also, this fear of AI magically doing unethical things is the one thing China and USA agrees on.

Copying software copies, therefore evil. Did I dumb it down for you?

Which is exactly what you'd expect if they ran AI to ask questions? Topics and controversies are going to pop up a lot. A bot would obviously re-ask about it as they see many people talking about it. It would be more surprising if it didn't ask about issues that were stirring controversies.

OK but again to be clear, you're opposed to the bill?

Just to be clear then, you're opposed to this bill passing?