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[–] kbal@fedia.io 16 points 8 months ago

Make is simple, easy, and effective. It's just "configure" that's full of black magic.

[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Autocrap is a bloated obsolete stuff that is mostly replaced with other tools like cmake or meson. There's no need to learn it today.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Hell maybe I do need to learn some shit, because I was under the impression that you cd into the folder after you untar it, then type ./configure make sudo make install, but the last two packages I attempted to install from source like this just did nothing.

[–] Snarwin@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The first step after you untar is always "open the README and look for build instructions."

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago

Thankfully, none were included lol. I think they assumed I already knew.

[–] bizdelnick@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe. But maybe they did nothing because there was no ./configure script and you had to use another tool, e. g. one of that I mentioned, so you need to learn another shit.

BTW installing anything from source like this is the right way only in (B)LFS.

But you definitely don't need to learn this if you are a developer and starting a new project in 2024. You can use cmake or write plain makefiles, even shell scripts if you want, but as you value life or your reason keep away from the autotools. It is a nightmare to debug thousands lines of scripts they generate and put into your source tree.

[–] GnomeComedy@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You assume everyone has root.

On a system I don't administer, I can compile and install software in my home directory (or shared directories that I have write access) by using:

./configure --PREFIX=/home/myuser/software/

make # to compile

make install #without sudo, to install to ~/software/bin

So when you say "only in (B)LFS", you're overlooking a VERY common use case - especially in HPC and other systems NOT running on my desk/lap.

[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Indeed - the general configure, build install steps are fairly universal and the configure script doesn't have to cover from autoconf. We still have that and Makefiles as a wrapper around a meson based setup to keep the process familiar.