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[–] arymandias@feddit.de 57 points 11 months ago (23 children)

Of course Israel knows this is not possible, but it’s a nice statement to point at every time they get caught killing civilians. “Look we told them to leave, nothing we can do after that.”

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 31 points 11 months ago (29 children)

So, more war crimes incoming.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 26 points 11 months ago (5 children)
[–] SomeGuyNamedPaul@beehaw.org 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Considering the end goal is obviously genocide, the ocean?

[–] blewit@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

That’s not the end goal. The end goal is security for the Israeli people. If Palestinians choose peace, they’d have it. They have not chosen that path yet.

[–] ram 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The end goal is security for the Israeli people.

This is nearly a certain white supremacist dogwhistle. Don't trust people who want to murder an entire people for the sake of "security" of other people. That's how ethnic cleanses and genocides are justified.

[–] blewit@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You connected two unrelated ideas.

Israel wants security for the people of Israel. Ideally, this is peace with their neighbors. Hamas has chosen war. Israel has no choice but the take action.

[–] ram 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

And this action must be extermination of the people of Palestine. If you're going to say it, say all of it. Stop dancing around what you're advocating.

[–] blewit@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m absolutely not saying that. Let me be clear: Palestinians should have a state and live peacefully as neighbors of Israel.

However, as of now, the Palestinian leadership is fracture and (in the case of Hamas) undeniably barbaric. The Palestinians need to choose better leaders and take themselves to freedom and peace they deserve.

[–] ram 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

When do they choose their leaders? They've not had an election in over a decade.

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[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 12 points 11 months ago

Yeah Hamas def made those Israeli settlers steal Palestinian homes /s

[–] java@beehaw.org 17 points 11 months ago

From the authors of "Why don't Russians/Iranians/North Koreans/etc. overthrow their regimes? It's a simple choice."

[–] muse@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Is that before or after the constant genocide?

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[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thing is, even if the people want peace there's no one to deliver it. Their leadership has no interest in negotiating with the state of Israel that they see as illegitimate.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago (8 children)

And Israel is the same way so that is a double edged sword.

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[–] edm00se@beehaw.org 14 points 11 months ago

Per the linked article "toward the southern part of the besieged territory", which seems awfully vague for a major displacement of people.

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