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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, you have a lot of blood on your hands there, Benny-boy. Better start scrubbing.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Lady MacBeth-Israel

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The genocide was moving too fast without regard to the optics?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Gantz was moderate, and resistant to the far-right agenda of needless bloodshed, destruction, and expansion. He was challenging Netanyahu for a post-war Gaza rebuild plan with no success.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's a delusion in liberal circles that the problem is Bibi Netenyahu. When in reality, this would have played out with similar bloodshed has Gantz been in charge.

[–] corus_kt@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Gantz's stance on the Palestinian casualties would mirror Bibi's when judging by his political history. The main difference being that Gantz seems more concerned about the hostages and Israel itself than Bibi is.

[–] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

"Frustration" oh the facepalm....

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is a pretty good commentary I found that explains what this probably means. I don't agree with all of it, but it's a solid read.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Based on prior political developments, Netanyahu — Israel’s longest-tenured prime minister, having served for more than 17 years as the country’s leader — will prioritize moves that will preserve his power and avoid early elections.

This certainly squares with his former best friend saying that he wants to be a dictator.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-798324

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Inside Israel, he is considered the ultimate political pragmatist. It's what his supporters love about him and what his detractors most despise. He will do anything to maintain his power and he is extremely effective at this.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

That HELPS Netanyahu.

WHEN people with values/principles get out of the way of abusers in authority .. then the abusers have an easier time of tilting the playing-field.

Same as all the Democrats who vacated institutional-positions, "in protest" of abuser apointees, who then had an easier time of wrecking the United States.

You have to get in harm's way, & you have to remain in harm's way, if you want the resultant-world to be worth-living-in.


The Great Filter, this century, will test humankind's ability to do that.

If not, if "getting out of evil's way" is humankind's feelings' choice, then harm/evil's going to butcher humankind's viability, & laugh all the way to humankind's grave.

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[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This guy is upset they are genociding fast enough

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, quite the opposite. Gantz is considered a moderating force in the coalition who probably prevented a lot of Palestinian deaths due to his measured approach. His main point of pressure was that Bibi has absolutely no plan for transitioning to a post-war Gaza. Someone will have to be in charge of governance and reconstruction, and that plan has to begin now. Bibi has avoided the question because there is really no good option. It's politically savvy to let the situation devolve further into crisis.

Gantz leaving weakens Netanyahu but also strengthens the far right ministers. In the short run, this is probably a bad thing, but could be good if it triggers new elections and ends Bibi's career.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Gantz has supported the genocide as much as Netanyahu has. He was a big factor in making it possible the last half year. Gantz now realizes that the optics are not great and Israel is rapidly losing international support.

As a member of the war cabinet Gantz would have known from the beginning that there was never a plan. He was in those meetings.